The Truth About Chiropractic with Drs. Reed & Katharine Neubaum

Most people think chiropractic care is all about cracking backs. Dr. Reed and Dr. Kat Neubaum are here to show you it's so much more than that.

In this episode of Conversations with Rich Bennett, Rich and co-host Robyn sit down with the husband-and-wife team behind Ultimate Health to explore how today's chiropractic care has evolved into a complete wellness approach. From rehabilitation exercises and dry needling to nutrition, fitness, and patient education, they explain why lasting health comes from treating the whole person, not just the symptoms.

Dr. Reed and Dr. Kat also share the inspiring story of how they met in chiropractic school, started their own practice from scratch, purchased Ultimate Health just weeks before the COVID-19 shutdown, and continued building a practice centered on helping patients move better, feel better, and live healthier lives.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• Why chiropractic care is about far more than spinal adjustments
• The truth behind common chiropractic myths and misconceptions
• How dry needling, laser therapy, rehabilitation, and home exercises help patients recover
• Why nutrition and movement are essential parts of long-term health
• Their vision for the future of healthcare through Function, Fitness & Fuel

Whether you're dealing with chronic pain, recovering from an injury, or simply looking for ways to stay healthier as you age, this episode offers practical insights that can benefit everyone.

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Transcript

Wendy & Rich 0:01
Coming to you from the Freedom Federal Credit Union Studios, Hartford County Living presents Conversations with Rich Bennett. 

Reed Neubaum 0:29
Do you have ever heard my 

Rich Bennett 0:29
story about me going to the chiropractor probably if you haven't heard the story that enough of course you're missing all the time. But I started going to the chiropractor. 

God, six years ago, seven years ago, a long time ago. 

Reed Neubaum 0:50
And that was part of my neck. 

Rich Bennett 0:53
And kept 

Reed Neubaum 0:54
going. 

Rich Bennett 0:56
And I was scared to go. But my older brother told me I was a dumbass and I need to go and my sister gave me a hard time, who is joining me today. So yes, we have the King's wife here again, Robyn. The King is junior. Yeah, I figured you and I I have my chiropractor is here from all health care and well. 

Reed Neubaum 1:26
Just 

Rich Bennett 1:27
ultimate health. It's 

Reed Neubaum 1:27
ultimate. 

Rich Bennett 1:27
just the I have 

Reed Neubaum 1:32
Dr. 

Rich Bennett 1:32
Dr. Reed and Dr. 

Reed Neubaum 1:33
Barbara Newbaum, 

Rich Bennett 1:34
and incase you didn't know. So I gotta give plugs here because years ago when we did the choice awards, they were competing against each other and read one. So, 

Katharine Neubaum 1:44
but who's your chiropractor? 

Rich Bennett 1:47
But I can't shoot a one. Wait a minute. I don't know if I should say that because we go on maternity leave again. I'm going to be dealing with it. 

Reed Neubaum 1:57
Wait, Rich, did you vote? 

Rich Bennett 1:59
Huh? Did 

Reed Neubaum 2:00
you vote in that? You 

Rich Bennett 2:00
do? 

Reed Neubaum 2:01
don't have to 

Rich Bennett 2:01
No, I don't 

Reed Neubaum 2:02
think 

Rich Bennett 2:03
I don't. would, 

Reed Neubaum 2:05
If 

Rich Bennett 2:05
it 

Reed Neubaum 2:05
you 

Rich Bennett 2:05
would be wrong for me. 

Katharine Neubaum 2:06
It would be wrong. Yes, 

Reed Neubaum 2:07
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 2:08
And if if if I did, I would have voted for the right one. 

Alright, so I want to jump right into 

Reed Neubaum 2:20
this. At 

Rich Bennett 2:23
chiropractor school, right? Alright, well. 

Reed Neubaum 2:26
Wait, 

Rich Bennett 2:27
wait, I don't know whose story I 

Reed Neubaum 2:30
want to hear first. 

Rich Bennett 2:31
You know what? I want to put cat on this spot because why? No, no, go ahead. I want to hear the story. How did you guys meet in chiropractor? First of all, before that, cause we heard Reed story. He's been on the, 

Katharine Neubaum 2:47
oh, Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 2:48
okay. 

Katharine Neubaum 2:49
Yes, I knew that. 

Rich Bennett 2:50
It's on your website. Does she? The website? 

Reed Neubaum 2:55
That's that's kind of my. 

Rich Bennett 2:57
Okay, 

Reed Neubaum 2:58
and conquer. 

Katharine Neubaum 2:58
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 2:59
Buddy's even been on before. 

Reed Neubaum 3:01
No, 

Katharine Neubaum 3:01
he hasn't. 

Rich Bennett 3:01
Okay, 

Reed Neubaum 3:02
okay, 

Rich Bennett 3:02
just 

Reed Neubaum 3:02
just 

Rich Bennett 3:02
to 

Reed Neubaum 3:02
to 

Rich Bennett 3:03
buddies, 

Reed Neubaum 3:03
buddies, the doll. 

Robyn Furnkas 3:04
Okay, 

Rich Bennett 3:05
which it 

Reed Neubaum 3:06
is 

Rich Bennett 3:08
will 

Reed Neubaum 3:08
you 

Rich Bennett 3:08
see buddy doing chiropractor school. 

Okay, I said before you started 

Reed Neubaum 3:15
car. 

Rich Bennett 3:16
Back in high school because everybody is told you got into the career, opinion, everything, all this. So what was it that you wanted to do? I 

Katharine Neubaum 3:25
wanted to go into healthcare. 

Rich Bennett 3:27
Okay. Of 

Katharine Neubaum 3:27
some sort, 

Reed Neubaum 3:28
I 

Robyn Furnkas 3:28
don't 

Katharine Neubaum 3:29
want to do nursing medical, all that. I don't like 

Reed Neubaum 3:35
blood. 

Katharine Neubaum 3:41
And my 10th grade English teacher actually told me, you should go in, I could see you as 

Reed Neubaum 3:51
a 

Katharine Neubaum 3:52
therapist or a chiropractor or 

Reed Neubaum 3:53
said, 

Katharine Neubaum 3:53
something. Like, 

Reed Neubaum 3:53
okay. 

Katharine Neubaum 3:53
I think people I And I looked into it. 

And I liked it. And also 

Reed Neubaum 3:59
I also had 

Katharine Neubaum 4:00
back issues growing up, I have scoliosis. 

Rich Bennett 4:03
You do or did. I guess something 

Reed Neubaum 4:06
doesn't go 

Rich Bennett 4:06
away away. 

Katharine Neubaum 4:07
It's still very apparent. But I was braced as a child and all of that and 

Rich Bennett 4:12
Really. 

Katharine Neubaum 4:12
not one doctor ever suggested chiropractic. Like that would have given me a lot of relief because I literally used to bathe in icy hot. 

Rich Bennett 4:21
Who? 

Katharine Neubaum 4:22
, not really, but like, I put it on- 

Reed Neubaum 4:25
no, 

Rich Bennett 4:25
and those if you listen. If you hear her at the back ground, that's their kids Oakley and Walker, which are two awesome boys. So, all right. So that's when you decide to go to chiropractor school. 

Katharine Neubaum 4:37
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 4:37
All right. So read. I guess people didn't hear 

Robyn Furnkas 4:40
it. 

Rich Bennett 4:41
What was your career path in high 

Robyn Furnkas 4:43
school? 

Reed Neubaum 4:44
I was not so sure about myself. I knew that I wanted to do something active. I don't know. I becoming a pro wrestler didn't seem like a good option, that was pretty much how 

Rich Bennett 5:02
my- 

Reed Neubaum 5:03
what my life surrounded- or was surrounded, you know, circling around. 

Rich Bennett 5:07
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 5:07
Was my wrestling career. So it was like, "Oh yeah, there's this whole rest of life thing. You're going to need a career." So 

Rich Bennett 5:14
you could have been the next Senior. 

Reed Neubaum 5:17
That would be sweet. But 

Katharine Neubaum 5:19
then our paths wouldn't never crossed. 

Reed Neubaum 5:22
Maybe, I would needed a chiropractor. 

Katharine Neubaum 5:25
You would pick me? 

Reed Neubaum 5:31
Yeah, 

Robyn Furnkas 5:32
it's that correct 

Reed Neubaum 5:34
What 

Robyn Furnkas 5:34
response. 

Reed Neubaum 5:34
I said. 

Oh, well I just landed, you know, you go over options on like, all right, it's like, all right. Well, you start looking at lists of majors and it's like what careers and majors are out there. I landed on exercise science and it went from there. I'm very grateful that I had a very good guidance counselor who we were talking about career paths coming out of an exercise science major. And you know, we're going over all the different career paths, you know, there are a lot, but it's like, all right, you want to get into research. No, you want to be a PE teacher? No, the personal trainer like do I have to go to college for that? 

Yeah. No, I mean, it's good, it's good to go, but I 

Rich Bennett 6:24
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 6:24
mean, yeah, it's not like totally necessary. Right. And we kind of landed on he's like, well, it sounds like you're not going to be done school after this college. I was like, what? It's like just look on those walls, look on the sheets on this wall and you know, it's where I was like pre-med path pre-care practice, pre-P-T kind of similar to cats like chiral PT. I wasn't sure either, but that really stood out to me in a very common origin story for chiropractors is a chiropractor has helped me in the past or a loved one in the past. And so I wanted to do the same. That is like the story on why people became a chiropractor. 

Rich Bennett 7:08
Because they a chiropractor when they were younger. 

Reed Neubaum 7:10
Yeah, actually I think that you I think that I think that cat, I think that you were one of the very, very few in our class that like hadn't been to a chiropractor and they were in chiro school. I found that odd. 

Katharine Neubaum 7:22
A chiropractor? 

Reed Neubaum 7:22
like, 

Katharine Neubaum 7:22
I'm no. 

Reed Neubaum 7:24
But you're in 

Katharine Neubaum 7:24
No, no one 

Reed Neubaum 7:25
school. 

Katharine Neubaum 7:25
told me to. So I didn't. But I shadowed 

Reed Neubaum 7:29
a lot 

Katharine Neubaum 7:29
of chiropractors 

Reed Neubaum 7:30
in 

Rich Bennett 7:31
right. 

Katharine Neubaum 7:33
And I was like, yeah, this looks cool. I'll do it. 

Rich Bennett 7:37
So now you both, and where did you guys go to school at for chiropractor care? 

Reed Neubaum 7:41
New York chiropractic college. 

Rich Bennett 7:43
All right, so how is it that you two actually met? Cat, I want to hear it from you first. 

Katharine Neubaum 7:48
You want to hear this story? 

Rich Bennett 7:49
Yeah, because I heard it from read before. I just want to see if you 

Reed Neubaum 7:58
know why I don't know why you're getting hot and bothered. I think it's a chiropractic love story this all this time. 

Katharine Neubaum 8:10
No. Oh, no, I remember. 

Rich Bennett 8:12
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 8:13
No, we were in the same 

Katharine Neubaum 8:15
class. So class was what? It 

Reed Neubaum 8:18
was 120 to start. 

Katharine Neubaum 8:22
So in a class of 120, you know, everybody kind of picks their seats in the lecture hall. 

Reed Neubaum 8:27
There's 400 

Robyn Furnkas 8:28
seats. 

Katharine Neubaum 8:28
Yes. And so you kind of like, you 

Reed Neubaum 8:31
kind of find your group 

time, 

Katharine Neubaum 8:34
right? Such as 

Reed Neubaum 8:35
how 

Katharine Neubaum 8:36
nature works. 

And so me and bunch of girls are In the row. And at the end of the row are Reed and his roommate. And there's probably like 10 chairs between us. And just one by one, every 

Rich Bennett 8:52
sorry. 

Katharine Neubaum 8:53
few classes, he started moving over one. And then another one. Oh, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 8:57
Okay. 

Katharine Neubaum 8:58
I was making a move, and over, and over, and over, and then he was sitting next to me, and doing his Rubik's cubes in class, not taking notes. 

Rich Bennett 9:08
Oh, you're already graduating, huh? Is there a here now who cares? 

Reed Neubaum 9:14
Had Tux, you just took such good notes. It was very helpful. 

Katharine Neubaum 9:18
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 9:20
Oh, he knows for him. 

Reed Neubaum 9:22
Taking notes for herself. 

Rich Bennett 9:23
It's, that's kind of funny. know, you're playing the Rubik's Cube, and 

Katharine Neubaum 9:27
You 

Rich Bennett 9:27
then you won the awards. 

Katharine Neubaum 9:29
No, here's, here's the frustrating part. Let me tell you this about read. Is he 

Reed Neubaum 9:33
wanting 

Katharine Neubaum 9:33
was not 

Reed Neubaum 9:34
to take notes, 

Katharine Neubaum 9:35
or study hours and hours, he would just, he is a sponge and just absorbs 

Rich Bennett 9:41
Right. 

Katharine Neubaum 9:41
everything. 

Rich Bennett 9:41
You just 

Katharine Neubaum 9:42
sit there doing his Rubik's cubes in class, 

Robyn Furnkas 9:44
then, and 

Reed Neubaum 9:44
and 

Robyn Furnkas 9:45
then 

Katharine Neubaum 9:45
the, 

Robyn Furnkas 9:45
go 

Katharine Neubaum 9:45
take 

Robyn Furnkas 9:45
take 

Katharine Neubaum 9:45
the test, and we'd usually end up 

Reed Neubaum 9:47
getting 

Katharine Neubaum 9:48
I think we, our 

Reed Neubaum 9:50
an 

Katharine Neubaum 9:50
GPAs 

Reed Neubaum 9:50
A's. 

Katharine Neubaum 9:50
were within like 100s. 

Rich Bennett 9:53
Wow. 

Katharine Neubaum 9:53
I don't even remember who's was higher to 

Reed Neubaum 9:56
be fair. I, I organized my own, 

Rich Bennett 10:01
and right, 

Reed Neubaum 10:01
a pretty good test. 

Katharine Neubaum 10:02
He is. 

Reed Neubaum 10:03
I look at test taking as a skill, a lot of. Young people would do well to learn it. As a skill, there are strategies to get better at taking a test. Also, it's not just your knowledge, it's also a skill taking a test. That's 

Katharine Neubaum 10:18
Yes. 

Reed Neubaum 10:18
just my opinion. 

Rich Bennett 10:19
So 

then you finally get the nerve to ask her out. Right. Oh, wait. There was the other way around. 

Katharine Neubaum 10:27
No. 

Rich Bennett 10:27
No. 

Reed Neubaum 10:28
see, I was I was one 

Rich Bennett 10:30
Well, 

Reed Neubaum 10:30
of 

Rich Bennett 10:30
the. 

I 

Reed Neubaum 10:35
was absorbed into the University of Buffalo group. So I was just, I was one of two students from Maryland. 

Rich Bennett 10:44
I'm 

Reed Neubaum 10:45
so I was like, I was like the Maryland kid. 

Katharine Neubaum 10:47
Yeah, you were. Because. 

Rich Bennett 10:49
I 

Katharine Neubaum 10:49
remember the first time he spoke in class, I was like, where is this kid from? He has such a Southern accent. Oh my God. Like the Southern draw that came out of his mouth. I don't hear it anymore, but I thought he was from like, 

Reed Neubaum 11:02
Jordan. It's because I don't have a Southern. 

Rich Bennett 11:04
I was going to say, 

Reed Neubaum 11:05
no, 

Robyn Furnkas 11:05
it's because you've 

Katharine Neubaum 11:06
You 

Robyn Furnkas 11:06
been. 

Katharine Neubaum 11:06
guys are all 

Robyn Furnkas 11:07
from 

Katharine Neubaum 11:08
Maryland. You don't 

Reed Neubaum 11:09
hear it, 

Katharine Neubaum 11:09
but if you're 

Reed Neubaum 11:10
from where I'm from, 

Katharine Neubaum 11:11
you guys sound Southern and you 

Reed Neubaum 11:12
are. I 

Katharine Neubaum 11:13
said, Dixon. Did you know 

Rich Bennett 11:15
that? 

Reed Neubaum 11:15
She's like, 

Rich Bennett 11:16
Yes. 

Reed Neubaum 11:16
well, 

Rich Bennett 11:16
I knew. 

Reed Neubaum 11:16
we don't 

Rich Bennett 11:17
have a Southern draw. 

Katharine Neubaum 11:18
Did you. It's 

Reed Neubaum 11:20
a 

Rich Bennett 11:23
bottom. 

Reed Neubaum 11:23
Oh, I didn't hear it. 

Rich Bennett 11:25
Southern draw. You put us next to somebody from like the Carolina's or something like that. We 

Katharine Neubaum 11:29
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 11:29
do not. 

Robyn Furnkas 11:30
Well, they have their own. 

Katharine Neubaum 11:32
Yes, mild and compare. 

Robyn Furnkas 11:34
But 

Rich Bennett 11:34
he doesn't even have a bottom or action. 

Robyn Furnkas 11:36
Put us. Put us against somebody from Alabama and you can't tell the difference a lot. 

Rich Bennett 11:41
What between us and 

Robyn Furnkas 11:43
Alabama. 

Rich Bennett 11:43
Oh, get out of here. 

Robyn Furnkas 11:44
I'm telling you I'm a flight attendant. People in the plane all the time. Oh, aren't you from Alabama? Like. 

Reed Neubaum 11:49
Merrill 

and. Merrill. 

Rich Bennett 11:52
I'd never. 

Reed Neubaum 11:53
that? 

Rich Bennett 11:53
Who says From Maryland, they're saying Merrill. 

Reed Neubaum 11:57
It's how we're perceived saying it. I'm 

Robyn Furnkas 12:01
We 

Reed Neubaum 12:01
making. 

Robyn Furnkas 12:01
also don't say Merry Land. Like. 

Reed Neubaum 12:03
Merry Land. 

Robyn Furnkas 12:05
She was from Cleveland and she would say, well, my grandchildren live in Baltimore, Marry Land. 

Reed Neubaum 12:10
Baltimore. 

Robyn Furnkas 12:11
Where's that? 

Rich Bennett 12:12
All right. Okay. So you were making fun of them because of the accent? 

Katharine Neubaum 12:15
No, I was. 

Reed Neubaum 12:15
No, the whole. The whole group was. 

Rich Bennett 12:18
That. Wow. 

Reed Neubaum 12:19
No, the whole group was. I remember it like yesterday. 

Katharine Neubaum 12:21
So 

Reed Neubaum 12:22
You made it sound like. 

Katharine Neubaum 12:22
I. 

Reed Neubaum 12:23
Howdy, y'all. You're being nutty. You're not. You're then a. How's that a peanut festival? You. 

Katharine Neubaum 12:32
You do say y'all, which I'd never heard in person 

Reed Neubaum 12:35
I 

Katharine Neubaum 12:35
until 

Reed Neubaum 12:35
had. 

Katharine Neubaum 12:37
I. I'm not from 

Reed Neubaum 12:38
these parts. 

Rich Bennett 12:40
They 

Robyn Furnkas 12:41
don't say y'all. 

Katharine Neubaum 12:42
But there was a. There was a group of us that we all went to University of Buffalo and we all. 

Reed Neubaum 12:47
We were on the same program 

Katharine Neubaum 12:48
together and we all went to Kyro school. And so we all were hanging out and then Reed kind of worked his way into the 

Rich Bennett 12:55
She 

Katharine Neubaum 12:55
group. 

Rich Bennett 12:56
never heard you all, but she says we all. 

Robyn Furnkas 13:00
Yeah, she doesn't say all y'all either. 

Katharine Neubaum 13:03
All 

Rich Bennett 13:03
right. So you asked her out for the first date? Did she say no? Or was she like? Are you nuts? 

Katharine Neubaum 13:08
We were just like 

Reed Neubaum 13:09
technically not. We would hang out in friends group. We in a way our relationship kind of started at the 

Rich Bennett 13:17
gym. Oh, 

Katharine Neubaum 13:17
yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 13:18
because we were 5 a. m. crew and. So we'd be there standing outside the gym waiting for the owner. 

Rich Bennett 13:27
So 

Reed Neubaum 13:28
because we got stuff to do. 

Katharine Neubaum 13:30
So. 

Reed Neubaum 13:33
typical to a lot of this was a pretty serious gym. I mean like the the people there weren't there were not a lot of mirrors and stuff. Not 

Rich Bennett 13:41
all right. 

Reed Neubaum 13:41
No, so it was a lifting gym and we was It 

Rich Bennett 13:43
okay. 

Reed Neubaum 13:43
was that kind of an intensity. So I remember the first couple of times I even even some of the other you know lifters there would they would see you see they didn't realize you were setting up to deadlift. They thought you were taking the oh someone left all this weight on this barbell for this poor little girl. And she's like no, no, you can add more. And then she goes like hammers out ten wraps of like I think I mean love 

Rich Bennett 14:12
what. 

Reed Neubaum 14:12
And it's like this tiny little thing doing a 2.5 X deadlift. 

The 

Rich Bennett 14:25
car tractor at this point right. 

Reed Neubaum 14:27
No, this is in chiropractor 

Katharine Neubaum 14:28
school. Yeah, we're in 

Reed Neubaum 14:29
school. 

Rich Bennett 14:30
So you still never try to car tractor. Right? 

Katharine Neubaum 14:33
I mean at that point I had. 

Rich Bennett 14:34
Okay, but with school uses and everything and you're deadlift 

Katharine Neubaum 14:39
it. Yeah school use isn't like a. You're 

Rich Bennett 14:41
It's like the 

Katharine Neubaum 14:42
done. 

Rich Bennett 14:42
curvature of the spine, right? 

Katharine Neubaum 14:43
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 14:44
They call it a self limiting. 

Katharine Neubaum 14:47
Yes. It's 

Reed Neubaum 14:48
like one of those things they don't. If it's if it's mild enough, they don't do anything about it. And then they just kind of admit that you're kind of. 

It's it's up to you to manage this. There's nothing else that you're really going to do. So did you want to do the gym like one 

Rich Bennett 15:06
the 

Reed Neubaum 15:06
of 

Rich Bennett 15:06
requirements? 

Reed Neubaum 15:08
Yeah. No. 

Rich Bennett 15:08
No. 

Katharine Neubaum 15:08
We enjoy it. 

Reed Neubaum 15:10
Imagine 

Katharine Neubaum 15:10
that. 

Reed Neubaum 15:11
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 15:13
Enjoy my ham Jim. 

Katharine Neubaum 15:14
Okay, good. 

Robyn Furnkas 15:15
I do not. 

Rich Bennett 15:18
I do enjoy the pool pool. Alright. Maybe not. 

Robyn Furnkas 15:22
It's only a couple of months out of 

Rich Bennett 15:23
these. 

Robyn Furnkas 15:25
I do enjoy watching like Denise Austin on TV going, you go girl get them, get them. And I'm going like this with my arms. So it's kind of like a movement. 

Katharine Neubaum 15:34
There you go. 

Reed Neubaum 15:35
Count it. Wow. So 

Rich Bennett 15:37
So now 

Reed Neubaum 15:38
now 

Rich Bennett 15:38
you 

Reed Neubaum 15:38
you guys 

Rich Bennett 15:38
guys are in 

Reed Neubaum 15:38
are in 

Rich Bennett 15:39
car 

Reed Neubaum 15:39
car 

Rich Bennett 15:39
tractor. 

Reed Neubaum 15:39
practice school. You're dating everything you 

Rich Bennett 15:41
graduate. 

Wal after graduation. What brought you back to Maryland? Don't say read. It was read. 

Reed Neubaum 15:51
Yeah. 

Katharine Neubaum 15:52
Well. 

Reed Neubaum 15:53
Yeah, 

Katharine Neubaum 15:54
we weren't. New York is not great for. 

Reed Neubaum 16:02
So you're getting a 

Katharine Neubaum 16:02
because 

Reed Neubaum 16:02
lot more. Because it's a very saturated. Right. 

Katharine Neubaum 16:02
the school is there. 

Rich Bennett 16:03
Okay, 

Katharine Neubaum 16:03
So it's like why 

Reed Neubaum 16:04
I 

Katharine Neubaum 16:04
would 

Reed Neubaum 16:04
would be 

Katharine Neubaum 16:06
that 

Reed Neubaum 16:06
stay 

Katharine Neubaum 16:06
area 

Reed Neubaum 16:06
in 

Katharine Neubaum 16:06
when it's very saturated. 

Rich Bennett 16:09
Good point. 

Katharine Neubaum 16:09
There's more restrictions on what you can do in New York. 

And start here. Because he had family there. My family was getting ready to up and move to Florida anyways. why would we stay in 

Reed Neubaum 16:26
Like 

Katharine Neubaum 16:26
New York? 

Rich Bennett 16:27
So when you 

Reed Neubaum 16:28
guys came here, 

Rich Bennett 16:29
you were working in another car practice office 

Reed Neubaum 16:31
before you 

Rich Bennett 16:32
took over ultimate health, right? 

Reed Neubaum 16:35
When we were in, when we were in school the last year of school, we had decided that we wanted to start our own practice. 

Rich Bennett 16:46
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 16:48
From straight out of graduation against a lot of advice actually. 

Rich Bennett 16:52
Really? 

Reed Neubaum 16:53
Yeah. Plenty of people are like one. One of the biggest things is a lot of people said, don't go into business with your, you know, significant other we're just boyfriend girlfriend at this point. 

Rich Bennett 17:02
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 17:03
Although it was serious and off we were considering starting a business together. 

yeah, we figured out that it would be smart that one of us gets a job and one of us starts to practice. Obviously we're both be starting the practice, but one of us will be mainly doing, 

Rich Bennett 17:19
But 

Reed Neubaum 17:20
you know, starting out with zero patients and 

building it up from there while the other was an associate. 

So, so we didn't have to, you know, live in a cardboard box or eat ramen all the time. So one of us pays the bills. O of us gets the dream started. So that's what we did. I started the practice from scratch on negotiating leases pound in the pavement and in out cars getting the door slammed in my face. You know, the school of heart knocks way of starting a practice. 

Rich Bennett 17:54
So, when you were in school for copyright, the care was one of the courses like business management or anything. 

Reed Neubaum 18:01
There were classes. Yes. 

Katharine Neubaum 18:05
We 

Reed Neubaum 18:05
about 

Katharine Neubaum 18:05
talked 

Reed Neubaum 18:05
it. I took notes in that one. 

(laughs)

That's such a big one, man. That's so cool. (laughs)

Yes. 

It was a great introduction. It was a good surface level, you know, class. It wasn't. Yeah, we did a business plan. I mean, so you know, kind of got the gears turning and that was good because I guess what? I mean, I took that series and I'm like, that was a template for the business plan that we ended up using to buy Ultimate Health. I mean, I had all that stuff still. 

Robyn Furnkas 18:43
And we. 

So why Hartford County, instead of Daithersburg? 

Reed Neubaum 18:47
Well, with that practice was in Daithersburg. 

Robyn Furnkas 18:50
Oh. 

Reed Neubaum 18:51
my funny story? 

I realized 

Rich Bennett 18:52
Is 

Reed Neubaum 18:52
that. 

Rich Bennett 18:53
that 

Reed Neubaum 18:53
Yeah. So I just...

I thought it was 

Rich Bennett 18:54
just Talson and Hartford County. 

Reed Neubaum 18:57
Yeah, well that's Ultimate Health. That's the practice we bought. 

Rich Bennett 19:01
Okay, got you. 

Reed Neubaum 19:02
We started our own practice in Daithersburg. Actually two, two, three months later. This was just a foolish young, young entrepreneurial mistake. I signed a lease when someone didn't have permission to sub-lease 

Robyn Furnkas 19:18
Mexican. 

Reed Neubaum 19:18
to me. 

Rich Bennett 19:19
Oh. 

Reed Neubaum 19:20
So the person who actually owned the building, shame on me for not confirming that. So basically, we. 

Robyn Furnkas 19:26
You learn. 

Reed Neubaum 19:27
Yeah. So found a new place, rented one office in a CrossFit gym. So our first practice was really inside of a CrossFit gym. So that was a 

Rich Bennett 19:41
good. 

Reed Neubaum 19:41
pretty 

Rich Bennett 19:42
The place I have one. 

Reed Neubaum 19:43
it was a pretty good, 

Katharine Neubaum 19:44
Good. 

Reed Neubaum 19:45
I'm gonna go a lot of experience with that kind of 

Rich Bennett 19:48
Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 19:48
population. It was stuff that I liked to do, although, 

It was kind of like, I'm gonna do, I'm not a CrossFitr, but I'm doing CrossFit today kind of. 

So 

Rich Bennett 19:58
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 19:58
I have reached it. 

But they were a really good one. CrossFit does get a bad rap for hurting people, but honestly, my honest opinion is, the people that CrossFit attracts 

people who tend to hurt themselves more. It's not necessarily the people that want competition and push themselves to the limits five days a week and that kind of a person gets hurt. It's 

Robyn Furnkas 20:23
are 

Reed Neubaum 20:24
not necessarily CrossFit hurts people. But so that was the first practice. 

Rich Bennett 20:29
And what you reserved? 

Katharine Neubaum 20:32
2017. 

Reed Neubaum 20:33
Yeah, 2017 is when we got our licenses. 

Katharine Neubaum 20:38
Started. 

Reed Neubaum 20:39
That is when I started immediately. And you went from one job that weren't sour to another job that ...

Rich Bennett 20:49
And chiropractor 

Reed Neubaum 20:49
care? 

Rich Bennett 20:51
Wow, 

Katharine Neubaum 20:51
okay. 

I don't think I 

Reed Neubaum 20:52
heard it. 

Rich Bennett 20:53
...

Reed Neubaum 20:53
Cure, won't 

Rich Bennett 20:53
Okay. 

Katharine Neubaum 20:54
(laughs)

Reed Neubaum 20:55
Chiropractors are notorious for eating their young, unfortunately, so you do get taken advantage of a whole lot. But wow. 

Katharine Neubaum 21:02
But it honestly kind of motivated us, inspired us, whatever you wanna say is, okay, we wanna have our own place, but we never wanna be treated the way we have been treated. 

Rich Bennett 21:13
Right, that's good. 

Robyn Furnkas 21:15
And so 

Katharine Neubaum 21:15
that's 

Reed Neubaum 21:16
... 

Katharine Neubaum 21:16
kind of That's always in the back of our minds with where we are now. So like, we never wanna do that to someone. 

Reed Neubaum 21:22
We certainly learned what we don't wanna do. 

Katharine Neubaum 21:25
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 21:25
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 21:26
But yeah, so then once the cat got two bad jobs in, then we switched. And I got the job, which was not a bad job, I learned a 

Katharine Neubaum 21:36
No, 

Reed Neubaum 21:36
whole lot 

Katharine Neubaum 21:37
it 

Reed Neubaum 21:37
in 

Katharine Neubaum 21:37
was. 

Reed Neubaum 21:37
that job, too, but no, that one was a really good one. And then Lohan B. Hold turns out ... So now, so we swapped. So now I'm a full time associate, and she's running the practice. So she 

Rich Bennett 21:50
Oh. 

Reed Neubaum 21:50
took over my patients that I was seeing, which honestly was not that many, even then. But as soon as cat was available to see patients at that office. 

She filled up, because turns 

Katharine Neubaum 22:07
Laurel. 

Reed Neubaum 22:08
out 

Rich Bennett 22:09
a 

Reed Neubaum 22:09
lot of the women going to the gym, wanted to see 

Katharine Neubaum 22:14
a female. 

Reed Neubaum 22:15
A female chiropractor. And I was like, well, shoot, what did she say? So I don't take it personally. I mean, you're allowed to have preferences in your providers. I wish I had known that, because we would have done this awhile ago, or at least have a day added for her. 

Robyn Furnkas 22:29
All right. 

Reed Neubaum 22:30
So yeah, it worked out, so that practice kind of blew up with just us switching spots. 

Rich Bennett 22:36
Wow. 

Reed Neubaum 22:37
And then, yeah, I'm trying to think, that went on for a little while. And then, I'm just the kind of, I mean, you know me well enough, I 

Rich Bennett 22:48
yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 22:48
just got my ear to the ground for opportunities. I get crazy ideas all the time. So I was on a list. Uh, you know, uh, like a listing, uh, like email list, that would send me practices for 

Rich Bennett 23:04
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 23:04
sale. So, we weren't in the market, you know, our whole, our whole reason for starting a practice from scratch was that we had an idea of what we wanted to do in the future. And I was, it's not going to be an associate ship. It's going to be. And I was, and I was skeptical about... Is there a practice out there that I would buy? It's like, I don't think so, I didn't think 

Rich Bennett 23:30
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 23:30
so at the time. But then, um, Dr. D's, Tausin location was listed separately than the Bel air location. 

Rich Bennett 23:40
uh, 

Reed Neubaum 23:40
Oh. 

Rich Bennett 23:41
oh. 

Reed Neubaum 23:41
So, I saw the Tausin location. So, it's a satellite location. I'm like, alright, it's only open two days a week. It's doing these numbers. This is the way he practices. This is really close to what we were going to be building in the 

Rich Bennett 23:56
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 23:56
future anyway. But it's seven years established. It is in Tausin, which was far away at the time. And, I guess you could say the rest is history, but I could co-de-cat and some like, hey, I think we should check out this practice for sale. And I forget what you said, but you're like, but we're not in the market for buying a practice. But yeah, look at this. 

Katharine Neubaum 24:20
Look at it. 

Reed Neubaum 24:21
If you think about it, if you buy a practice with open, open two days and you open up four days, 

Rich Bennett 24:26
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 24:26
you can double the practice. 

Robyn Furnkas 24:28
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 24:29
U, I was like that, that alone was pretty simple math and we potentially, we lived kind of in the middle of German town. German town in Tausin was pretty darn close 

Rich Bennett 24:40
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 24:40
to halfway. So shoot, one of us goes one way, one of us goes the other way. Keep 

Robyn Furnkas 24:44
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 24:44
broke, packed, both practices. Combine the two, what we built in that one, but then talking. They keep pulling the thread on the, okay, let me at least get more information. Let's turn over this stone. Let's find a reason not to. And it just went from there where say, Hey, by the way, this is the satellite location. The main hub is also for sale. 

Rich Bennett 25:09
And 

Reed Neubaum 25:09
what is it? Where's the air like, no, it was listed. It just didn't, it didn't come into my, like 

Robyn Furnkas 25:15
Right, 

Reed Neubaum 25:15
my 

Robyn Furnkas 25:15
because you didn't 

Reed Neubaum 25:16
parameter. 

Robyn Furnkas 25:16
have that far out on your parameters. 

Reed Neubaum 25:18
We'd prefer to sell both 

Rich Bennett 25:21
right 

Reed Neubaum 25:21
locations to the same person. It would make more sense for everybody. And then we, then we went for it. 

Robyn Furnkas 25:29
and where, 

Rich Bennett 25:30
Do 

Robyn Furnkas 25:30
so 

Rich Bennett 25:30
we have 

Robyn Furnkas 25:30
where 

Rich Bennett 25:30
to, 

Robyn Furnkas 25:30
did you move to? 

Rich Bennett 25:34
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 25:35
Oh, I didn't think about that. 

Rich Bennett 25:38
All right, good. So she goes out there and we can talk about her. I'll 

Reed Neubaum 25:42
fill in the gaps for the story. 

Robyn Furnkas 25:44
So where did made 

Reed Neubaum 25:45
you 

Robyn Furnkas 25:46
that determination? Where did you 

Reed Neubaum 25:48
move? 

Robyn Furnkas 25:48
decide to 

Reed Neubaum 25:49
So we stayed in, we stayed in Mount Erie for a year. So we did that ran 

Robyn Furnkas 25:56
up to Belair. 

Reed Neubaum 25:57
We're going to. We did that commute. We were going to Bellair, Talisman. 

Robyn Furnkas 26:02
We're 

Katharine Neubaum 26:02
for. Yeah, we were. I don't know how 

Reed Neubaum 26:06
but 

Katharine Neubaum 26:06
we did it, 

Reed Neubaum 26:06
we were walking seven days. We were treating patients seven days a week for a little 

Katharine Neubaum 26:10
One 

Reed Neubaum 26:11
while. 

Katharine Neubaum 26:11
day's a week. We were driving our 15 to Belair. Five to somebody. One of at least one of us, if not both, some days we carpooled. Oh, that was fun. 

Reed Neubaum 26:20
When we went to Belair, yeah, 

Katharine Neubaum 26:23
yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 26:23
it was 

Katharine Neubaum 26:23
It was a 

Reed Neubaum 26:24
little. For 

Katharine Neubaum 26:26
a while. 

Reed Neubaum 26:26
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 26:28
Wow. 

Reed Neubaum 26:30
But after that first year, we moved to Belair. 

Robyn Furnkas 26:34
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 26:35
That's right, because you guys had what was an apartment or a townhouse in Belair? 

Reed Neubaum 26:39
It was, uh, y, it was a house. 

Rich Bennett 26:42
Yeah, okay. 

Katharine Neubaum 26:44
So 

Robyn Furnkas 26:44
now you got rid of the catharsper. 

Reed Neubaum 26:47
Yeah, we just want to add and dissolve that. 

Robyn Furnkas 26:49
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 26:50
Um, we're figured. I mean, yeah, we could 

Robyn Furnkas 26:52
Especially 

Reed Neubaum 26:52
have. 

Robyn Furnkas 26:52
with kids. Now you're really on the road. 

Rich Bennett 26:56
you did during COVID. Yeah. 

Katharine Neubaum 26:57
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 26:58
Wait, miss. So where did you 

Robyn Furnkas 26:59
take 

Rich Bennett 27:00
over ultimate health January 

Reed Neubaum 27:01
second 2022, yeah, 

Katharine Neubaum 27:03
and 

Rich Bennett 27:04
22. Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 27:04
Or sorry, 2020. Sorry. January 

Robyn Furnkas 27:07
10 

Katharine Neubaum 27:07
weeks later, 10 weeks into 

Robyn Furnkas 27:09
COVID, 

Katharine Neubaum 27:11
everything on the line to buy this place, the world shut down. 

Rich Bennett 27:14
I've been going there for over six years, over seven years. 

Robyn Furnkas 27:17
What did you do? Because you can't do that for zoom. 

Rich Bennett 27:21
No, 

Katharine Neubaum 27:22
a lot of prayers. 

Rich Bennett 27:24
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 27:25
Yeah, 

Katharine Neubaum 27:25
it was, it was scary. 

Rich Bennett 27:27
Well, you're essential. 

Katharine Neubaum 27:28
We were essential. So we weren't close that long. 

Rich Bennett 27:33
Let's 

Reed Neubaum 27:34
not. 

Katharine Neubaum 27:35
Um, 

Reed Neubaum 27:37
we were 

Katharine Neubaum 27:37
close for a couple of weeks, but then they came out and said car practice is considered 

Rich Bennett 27:40
essential. Okay, we 

Katharine Neubaum 27:41
were very slowly building back 

Rich Bennett 27:44
up, but thank God. 

Katharine Neubaum 27:46
It was 

Reed Neubaum 27:52
Yeah, we, you know, there was a lot of 

Robyn Furnkas 27:56
right. 

Reed Neubaum 28:02
help 

with 

Robyn Furnkas 28:06
SBA. You know, programs and, um, yeah, so yeah, we, uh, there were a lot of help with SBA programs. 

Reed Neubaum 28:14
was a little bit of a limbo for the essential I don't care so much to reminisce about it, but 

Rich Bennett 28:22
It 

Reed Neubaum 28:22
the, 

Katharine Neubaum 28:24
um, 

Reed Neubaum 28:24
the essential business, essential worker, you know, issue, it wasn't specific enough. So we were unsure and we would call the, call the chiropractic board and we're like, are we essential or not, and they're like, we don't know. 

Rich Bennett 28:39
Wow. 

Reed Neubaum 28:39
It's not being specific and then finally it came out where it was you, any health care provider is allowed to see their patients for medically necessary treatments. 

Rich Bennett 28:50
Chiropractic care is necessary for a lot of people. 

Reed Neubaum 28:53
I mean, as long as it's not like a technically wellness adjustments are not medically necessary, um, but most of my patients have something going on. 

Rich Bennett 29:06
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 29:07
So yeah, and who determines 

Rich Bennett 29:10
that exactly 

Robyn Furnkas 29:10
right 

Reed Neubaum 29:10
right who? Yeah, I couldn't get a straight answer on that honestly 

Rich Bennett 29:16
either. 

Reed Neubaum 29:16
Is it an insurance company? 

Rich Bennett 29:19
Because I needed it. 

Reed Neubaum 29:21
Well, right. And that's, you know, pretty much what we did. I think that right now, the patient decides if it's medically 

Robyn Furnkas 29:30
necessary. 

Reed Neubaum 29:31
Is this necessary for your health or is this just to feel like is this preventive or are we treating something 

Robyn Furnkas 29:39
right? 

Rich Bennett 29:39
Well, yeah, I'm sure a lot of your patients during that time were not as active as they were when they were working depend on what field they were in. 

Reed Neubaum 29:47
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 29:47
of people were just I mean, I still wish I had stock and zoom back then, but a 

Reed Neubaum 29:52
because a 

Rich Bennett 29:52
lot 

Reed Neubaum 29:52
lot 

Rich Bennett 29:52
of people were just sitting at home on the computer working through 

Reed Neubaum 29:55
zoom. Well, that is, 

Rich Bennett 29:57
if 

Reed Neubaum 29:57
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 29:57
they could work. 

Reed Neubaum 29:58
Well, that was the, yeah, the work from home stuff. And I'm top of that. And all this stress and anxiety 

Rich Bennett 30:03
Oh, 

Reed Neubaum 30:04
around 

Rich Bennett 30:04
yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 30:04
a pandemic. It was, yeah, people needed help. And we have tons of regulars, I mean, people with chronic stuff. It's like, 

Robyn Furnkas 30:11
I'm 

Reed Neubaum 30:11
just trying to keep some people together. And it's like, no people do depend on us. 

Robyn Furnkas 30:16
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 30:18
To stay functioning. A it's like, they need to be able to come in here. This is crazy. 

Rich Bennett 30:23
Well, how often do you go? Like when I was one of the ones every six 

Robyn Furnkas 30:29
It just depends. Like I need 

Rich Bennett 30:31
weeks. 

Robyn Furnkas 30:31
to go out now, because I 

Rich Bennett 30:32
a 

Robyn Furnkas 30:32
need 

Rich Bennett 30:32
shower this morning. 

Robyn Furnkas 30:33
Adjustment, but. When I'm a flight attendant, when I 

Reed Neubaum 30:36
Yeah, 

Robyn Furnkas 30:38
go. Just the constant slamming into the 

Rich Bennett 30:41
yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 30:41
ground at 500 miles an hour. So it, you know, just depends on what I'm doing. 

Rich Bennett 30:48
So how, how old? I 

Robyn Furnkas 30:51
just depends on what's got going 

Rich Bennett 30:53
on average. 

All right, when's the last time you've been? Cuz you haven't flown in a while, right? 

Robyn Furnkas 31:00
No, probably two or three months. 

Rich Bennett 31:03
Really? Okay, I was wrong. I thought she went like every week. 

Reed Neubaum 31:07
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 31:08
I did when my back was actin' on. 

Rich Bennett 31:10
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 31:11
And they want me to have surgery and no. 

Rich Bennett 31:15
Yeah, but with you guys, it's more than just car practice care, 

Reed Neubaum 31:20
Oh, very much so. 

Rich Bennett 31:21
correct? So what else 

Reed Neubaum 31:22
Yeah, there's plenty of patients that we technically don't do chiropractic in the traditional sense where 

Rich Bennett 31:28
right? 

Reed Neubaum 31:28
the adjustments. The crux is, you know, the cracking, you know, that people are, you know, often people are looking for with the 

Robyn Furnkas 31:35
car. 

Reed Neubaum 31:36
But there's other ways. I mean, if you do a joint mobilization, you know, you're trying to, you do the same thing. But you don't do the impulse, the thrust, the actual like. 

Robyn Furnkas 31:49
The 

Rich Bennett 31:49
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 31:49
crack. 

Reed Neubaum 31:51
But a lot of PT. 

We expect our patients to have some skin in the game through doing home 

Rich Bennett 32:01
Oh, 

Reed Neubaum 32:01
exercises. 

Rich Bennett 32:02
yes, because I get yelled at if I don't do my home exercises. 

Robyn Furnkas 32:05
they can tell. 

Rich Bennett 32:06
And 

Robyn Furnkas 32:07
But you guys can really tell when people are doing them at home. 

Reed Neubaum 32:12
it's mostly because they feel better. 

Robyn Furnkas 32:13
Oh, 

Reed Neubaum 32:13
And I think it's empowering because it's such an important piece of it to me because the showing patients that they can help themselves is really a long term solution. 

Robyn Furnkas 32:25
I know when I don't do my exercises, oh my gosh, I really feel it. 

Reed Neubaum 32:29
Right. Right. It's probably one of the more important things that we do, uhm, is getting people to do. Sometimes it's like pulling teeth.It's  like, can you do any, can you do something for your health, like something, please, something, banging people, go for a walk, like hydrate or like, go to sleep on time or like something. 

Rich Bennett 32:50
I made the 

Reed Neubaum 32:51
mistake, 

Rich Bennett 32:52
I think it 

Reed Neubaum 32:52
four of you guys 

Rich Bennett 32:54
was before you took a when I was talking to John and I was telling I was doing the exercise because at that time I was doing the total gym. I 

Reed Neubaum 33:01
And 

Rich Bennett 33:01
did something, yeah, I was just hurting myself. Well, I was taught no pain, 

Reed Neubaum 33:05
no pain, no 

Rich Bennett 33:07
you 

Reed Neubaum 33:07
pain. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 33:07
shot the Marine Corps and he said, oh, no, no, no, no. You feel pain, you stop because there's something wrong there. I'm like, oh, okay. But now, Kat, before I try a new exercise, what do 

Katharine Neubaum 33:19
I do? You ask me. Yeah, he does. 

Rich Bennett 33:23
does. I have to get 

Reed Neubaum 33:25
He 

Rich Bennett 33:25
permission from her. Wow. 

Reed Neubaum 33:29
You get 

Rich Bennett 33:30
permission from her and I have to get permission from her as well. 

What is the last 

Katharine Neubaum 33:42
thing? 

Reed Neubaum 33:42
Which? 

Rich Bennett 33:44
Have 

Reed Neubaum 33:48
you 

Rich Bennett 33:48
tried one? You 

Reed Neubaum 33:49
tried it? 

Rich Bennett 33:51
Yeah. But to use it all the time, it does make it. 

Reed Neubaum 33:57
Oh, no. 

Rich Bennett 33:58
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 34:02
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 34:03
So the only thing I haven't done again is the total gym. I get back to doing the tubes. I have been 

Reed Neubaum 34:12
walking again. 

You have resistant tubes? Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 34:20
but you have resistant 

tubes, right? What I said they're called. It's the same 

Reed Neubaum 34:28
thing. But there's a difference. 

Robyn Furnkas 34:30
I don't 

Reed Neubaum 34:31
think 

Katharine Neubaum 34:31
anybody calls them tubes, but you do. 

Rich Bennett 34:32
And what it said on the package? 

Robyn Furnkas 34:34
I'm like, they're bands. There are bands, 

Rich Bennett 34:38
flat thing 

Reed Neubaum 34:39
you grab. 

Katharine Neubaum 34:39
that Side, but 

Rich Bennett 34:41
the tubes look like you. 

Robyn Furnkas 34:42
Oh, you're just making up. 

Rich Bennett 34:45
I am not. 

But I do get scolded in a nice way. Wait, I go 

Reed Neubaum 34:54
in there and cats, like, 

Rich Bennett 34:57
all right, what you doing this 

Reed Neubaum 34:58
time? Attitude adjustments are free. 

Rich Bennett 35:01
Yeah. 

But we, 

Reed Neubaum 35:04
you know, 

Rich Bennett 35:05
I, yes, and you know, I got a bad habit of, I guess, being a gentleman. I don't like to have, I don't like to see women carrying stuff, have these stuff. Go ahead and do it. 

Robyn Furnkas 35:17
Girl power. This is not 1946. 

Rich Bennett 35:20
You know my daughter. 

Robyn Furnkas 35:23
Yes, but she can. 

Rich Bennett 35:25
Yeah, 

Robyn Furnkas 35:26
It's on 

Rich Bennett 35:27
but I. 

Robyn Furnkas 35:27
you. You don't like her to 

Rich Bennett 35:29
Yeah, 

Robyn Furnkas 35:29
do it. 

Rich Bennett 35:29
but I don't want them cutting the grass or anything either. I don't look. I always brought up my father said there's certain ways you cut the grass. You're done. 

Reed Neubaum 35:37
You're spectacular. But 

Rich Bennett 35:38
different pattern each time 

Robyn Furnkas 35:40
That's not it. 

Rich Bennett 35:40
and plus week. 

Robyn Furnkas 35:41
I was the only girl. What my father said was you're a girl. You're too dumb and you'll cut your foot off. Let the boys cut the grass. 

Rich Bennett 35:48
All right, I didn't talk. I didn't 

Katharine Neubaum 35:49
talk 

Rich Bennett 35:50
or margin that though 

Robyn Furnkas 35:52
because I'm a girl. 

Rich Bennett 35:54
All right. So, 

Reed Neubaum 35:56
since 

Rich Bennett 35:58
you guys have started 

Reed Neubaum 35:59
What's 

Rich Bennett 36:00
what's been. 

Reed Neubaum 36:00
been so big is changes you see quite. 

Rich Bennett 36:03
care 

Reed Neubaum 36:03
Practical 

Rich Bennett 36:04
so far because I know it's been 

Reed Neubaum 36:05
short, short time. 

Rich Bennett 36:06
What 10 years. 

Katharine Neubaum 36:09
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 36:09
10 years, but I know you guys have come across some 

Reed Neubaum 36:12
new. I 

Rich Bennett 36:13
do. 

Reed Neubaum 36:15
Talking about like the profession. 

Robyn Furnkas 36:17
All of it. Like have you seen the profession as a whole go through some big changes has COVID changed your profession 

Rich Bennett 36:25
some tools that you use now that 

Reed Neubaum 36:29
back 

Rich Bennett 36:29
burn around 

Reed Neubaum 36:29
a lot of people. A lot of people, we were talking, even before we, you know, before we started about the reputation of Kyobrag. 

especially with since shooting since Tik Tok came out. There's a lot more, there's a lot more like, you know, 

Robyn Furnkas 36:50
There's 

Reed Neubaum 36:50
personal brand influencer type Kyros out there and they do the cool stuff and that's the adjustments and sometimes it's. I mean, it's it's cringey to me, but it seems to get people to click, so that's what people create is videos that people engage with. Right, and it's, I mean, shoot. I can tell that these are not real. I mean, you can tell I can tell when it's a fake audio thing, and it's like a lot. You are getting tricked a lot if you watch those videos. 

Robyn Furnkas 37:21
Right, 

Reed Neubaum 37:23
so that's the why strap. 

Robyn Furnkas 37:24
Oh. 

Reed Neubaum 37:25
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 37:28
Yeah. M- Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 37:29
It's, um, 

Robyn Furnkas 37:31
like, don't do this at 

Reed Neubaum 37:32
home. I don't know. 

Katharine Neubaum 37:32
I'm like, face. 

Rich Bennett 37:34
You guys. I think you said do you? 

Robyn Furnkas 37:35
What would 

Reed Neubaum 37:36
Well, I think it's 

Robyn Furnkas 37:36
it, 

Reed Neubaum 37:36
a great. 

Robyn Furnkas 37:37
because a lot of it has to do, ther, there's this big push about the, was it the varargas? 

Reed Neubaum 37:42
Vegas. 

Robyn Furnkas 37:43
Vegas? Yeah. And so they're doing all these tiktoks and social stuff on that. And it's like, don't try that at 

Rich Bennett 37:48
What's 

Robyn Furnkas 37:48
home. 

Rich Bennett 37:49
the Vegas nurse? 

Katharine Neubaum 37:50
Keeps you alive. 

Rich Bennett 37:51
Is that the one where, look, beca I know you'll have some nurses that are against car park care, because they see crack your neck cause a stroke. Is that what the Vegas nervous? 

Reed Neubaum 38:00
No. 

Rich Bennett 38:01
Oh, okay. 

Katharine Neubaum 38:03
Vegas nurse. What? In a, 

Reed Neubaum 38:06
it's 

Rich Bennett 38:06
You 

Reed Neubaum 38:06
an auto. 

Rich Bennett 38:07
take a 

Reed Neubaum 38:07
game. It's, you know, it's important. 

Rich Bennett 38:09
Gamble. It's. Vegas, 

Reed Neubaum 38:13
the, the Latin for is wandering. Um, it's like Vagabond. 

Rich Bennett 38:19
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 38:19
Is Vagabond. It's the wandering nerve. It goes a lot of different places, um, but it's very, it's crucial for like the autonomic nervous system. And that's really a lot of how care practice. At least the, you know, philosophical side of care practice is the, the, you 

Robyn Furnkas 38:36
you've 

Reed Neubaum 38:36
know, 

Robyn Furnkas 38:37
always known about it. It's not till tick-tock that everybody else is suddenly. 

Reed Neubaum 38:41
It's a buzz word that's popular. 

Robyn Furnkas 38:43
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 38:43
Yeah, but no, it's like by doing chiropractic retreating, the autonomic nervous system. So 

Robyn Furnkas 38:48
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 38:48
well, like this, the nervous system as a whole, but yeah, it's, it's getting a lot more attention because it, it controls your parasympathetic and your sympathetic nervous system, which most people would know that as rest and digest. 

Rich Bennett 39:04
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 39:04
And then I got a fight and flight, but or fight or flight and rest and digest. So sympathetic is like adrenaline rush. Like I'm preparing for to fight or to run away. And your body automatically does that. I mean, think about if you almost, like, you know, a close call in the car, 

Rich Bennett 39:25
mm 

Reed Neubaum 39:25
hmm. That feeling is your sympathetic nervous system ramping up. 

Rich Bennett 39:30
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 39:31
Right. And then when, you know, have a nice meal, full tummy, glass of wine, parasympathetics. You get sleepy. You want to chill, you want to rest. So when we're, like, how it ties into chiropractic, at least as most people are high up in the sympathetic, right? Think of the world that we live in. We're tense physically. We're tense emotionally, menta, everything stressed out. We're always moving. We don't have downtime. Everyone's, you know, busy, busy, busy bills are high mortgage, you know, 

Robyn Furnkas 39:59
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 39:59
all the, all the what, what our generation is calling adulting. 

It stimulates the sympathetic or it ramps up the sympathetic nervous system. And they do counteract one another. So as the sympathetic nervous system goes, you know, is stimulated. The other one goes down. 

Rich Bennett 40:19
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 40:20
So when you get a massage or you get worked on by a chiropractor, or you exercise, or you take a nap, or drink some tea and just chill out, meditate. You are pushing your nervous system to go towards the parasympathetic. 

Robyn Furnkas 40:38
So 

Reed Neubaum 40:39
that you can start to rest and bring the sympathetic down to equilibrium. 

Rich Bennett 40:46
So, 

Reed Neubaum 40:47
and this is relatively new to public knowledge. 

Robyn Furnkas 40:51
Doing 

Reed Neubaum 40:53
this for 

Robyn Furnkas 40:53
I mean, you guys have been studying that 

Reed Neubaum 40:54
centuries. 

Robyn Furnkas 40:54
biggest in our forever. I'm sure it's 

Reed Neubaum 40:56
That's what 

Robyn Furnkas 40:57
like probably a very big part of chiropractic school, but nobody's heard that buzz word. Until 

Reed Neubaum 41:03
I'm glad it's getting a lot of, 

Robyn Furnkas 41:04
yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 41:05
But there's three not all that's treating yourself. 

Robyn Furnkas 41:09
As nothing. 

Rich Bennett 41:11
Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 41:11
There's, you know, well, not that 

Rich Bennett 41:12
there's a good 

Reed Neubaum 41:13
way. There's other ways to, you know, like pay attention to your vagus nerve. But you're not going to get in there and massage your vagus nerve or anything. It's not like 

Katharine Neubaum 41:20
idea. 

Reed Neubaum 41:20
that. 

Rich Bennett 41:21
Speaking of, you know, trying to do stuff yourself. 

I love that. But is there a. Correct and correct way to use that? 

Katharine Neubaum 41:41
Not too hard. 

Rich Bennett 41:43
Another word, don't take the gun and slam it down on the person's back. 

Katharine Neubaum 41:48
Does that been done to you, Rich? 

Rich Bennett 41:49
Yes! Not by you. 

Robyn Furnkas 41:52
Maybe she 

Katharine Neubaum 41:52
I 

Robyn Furnkas 41:52
wasn't 

Katharine Neubaum 41:52
know. 

Rich Bennett 41:52
No. 

Robyn Furnkas 41:52
trying to give you a massage. Maybe... was 

Katharine Neubaum 41:55
What 

Robyn Furnkas 41:55
angry. 

Katharine Neubaum 41:55
did you do? 

Rich Bennett 41:57
scream, 

Katharine Neubaum 41:57
A 

Rich Bennett 41:57
like, uh-oh, 

Katharine Neubaum 41:58
did you 

Reed Neubaum 41:58
put 

Katharine Neubaum 41:58
do to 

Reed Neubaum 41:59
a collar up there 

Katharine Neubaum 41:59
a 

Reed Neubaum 42:00
to 

Katharine Neubaum 42:00
jamma 

Reed Neubaum 42:00
get 

Katharine Neubaum 42:00
into your back? 

Rich Bennett 42:01
Answer, she would take the gun to my back. 

Reed Neubaum 42:04
Isn't this an 

Robyn Furnkas 42:04
of 

Reed Neubaum 42:05
example 

Robyn Furnkas 42:05
you? You did something earlier in the day I can assure 

Katharine Neubaum 42:07
you. 

Rich Bennett 42:07
No, no, I didn't. 

Reed Neubaum 42:08
Call this weaponized incompetence. She's doing a bad job, so you don't ask her to do it. 

Katharine Neubaum 42:13
Oh. 

Robyn Furnkas 42:15
Oh. 

Reed Neubaum 42:16
She do, she starts 

Rich Bennett 42:17
Like, 

Reed Neubaum 42:17
easy, 

Rich Bennett 42:17
doesn't 

Reed Neubaum 42:17
so 

Rich Bennett 42:18
let... 

Katharine Neubaum 42:18
He 

Reed Neubaum 42:18
she's doing. 

Katharine Neubaum 42:18
said, 

Reed Neubaum 42:19
Shit. Why? 'Cause you start, you clean the dishes real bad? 

Robyn Furnkas 42:23
shit! 

Reed Neubaum 42:24
You don't fold the laundry, right? 

Rich Bennett 42:26
had it agreement, since we started dating, 

Reed Neubaum 42:28
We've 

Rich Bennett 42:28
that I'm the cook, she does the 

Reed Neubaum 42:30
dishes. 

Katharine Neubaum 42:33
Popular plan. 

Reed Neubaum 42:36
What do you want to say? I don't want to say. Who are you? Hi, I'm Oakley. Hi, I'm Oakley. 

Hey, don't touch the mic. It's hot. It's called a hot mic. 

Katharine Neubaum 42:53
you want 

Robyn Furnkas 42:53
Now 

Katharine Neubaum 42:53
to 

Rich Bennett 42:54
say, 

Reed Neubaum 42:55
you 

Katharine Neubaum 42:55
want to say hi. Say hi. 

Robyn Furnkas 42:59
Can you say hi? 

Katharine Neubaum 43:03
Yeah, that 

Reed Neubaum 43:03
doesn't 

Rich Bennett 43:04
control 

Reed Neubaum 43:04
go 

Katharine Neubaum 43:04
off. I 

Rich Bennett 43:05
it here. 

Katharine Neubaum 43:15
*laughs* 

Reed Neubaum 43:16
I've had a momy. 

Rich Bennett 43:19
No, I think it's just the Irish right here. No, I need to do anything. I 

Robyn Furnkas 43:26
tried that one 

Rich Bennett 43:27
Nellse, 

Robyn Furnkas 43:27
time. 

Rich Bennett 43:28
I don't 

Robyn Furnkas 43:28
know. it was so painful. I'm 

Rich Bennett 43:29
I'm 

Robyn Furnkas 43:29
like, 

Rich Bennett 43:29
not doing it. The massage. 

Robyn Furnkas 43:31
Oh 

Rich Bennett 43:31
my 

Reed Neubaum 43:31
god, 

Robyn Furnkas 43:32
I 

Reed Neubaum 43:32
sometimes 

Robyn Furnkas 43:32
mean, it 

Reed Neubaum 43:33
they 

Robyn Furnkas 43:33
was 

Reed Neubaum 43:33
have. 

Robyn Furnkas 43:33
like... 

Reed Neubaum 43:34
heads on it. 

Rich Bennett 43:34
Yes, 

Reed Neubaum 43:34
There's a softer 

Robyn Furnkas 43:35
You 

Reed Neubaum 43:35
one. 

Robyn Furnkas 43:36
know, my 

Reed Neubaum 43:36
ass was 

Robyn Furnkas 43:37
I don't know what 

Katharine Neubaum 43:38
on 

Robyn Furnkas 43:38
I'm 

Katharine Neubaum 43:38
the... 

Robyn Furnkas 43:38
doing. I'm not doing it again. 

Katharine Neubaum 43:39
Yeah, and if you're going over, 

Reed Neubaum 43:41
It's, like, 

Katharine Neubaum 43:41
like, 

Reed Neubaum 43:41
the lonely part 

Katharine Neubaum 43:42
it's not... is the massage. Good. 

Rich Bennett 43:44
Right. 

Katharine Neubaum 43:44
You gotta follow the muscles. 

Reed Neubaum 43:46
Yeah, like, where was she doing? 

Rich Bennett 43:47
Where she wasn't supposed to, probably? 

Reed Neubaum 43:50
What do I, like, I'm here on your... 

Rich Bennett 43:51
Oh, it's you going to, like, get up here. I said, "No, don't touch the neck." 

Reed Neubaum 43:54
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 43:54
It's just the muscles. Yeah. 

Katharine Neubaum 43:57
Yeah. I don't 

Reed Neubaum 43:58
know. Yeah. Yeah. So if you go over, like, see this part right here, like, 

Rich Bennett 44:03
that's... Yeah. Right. She'll hit that, 

Reed Neubaum 44:06
If 

Rich Bennett 44:06
so... 

Reed Neubaum 44:06
you hit that, it'll start bouncing. And you'll 

Rich Bennett 44:08
tell... Oh, you 

Reed Neubaum 44:09
can tell me if you're up in the meat, 

Rich Bennett 44:10
fine. 

Reed Neubaum 44:11
then that's 

Rich Bennett 44:11
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 44:12
It's, like, staying in the meaty parts. 

Rich Bennett 44:14
Yeah, I'm 

Reed Neubaum 44:14
to... 

Rich Bennett 44:14
trying Tell her, 

Reed Neubaum 44:16
yeah. And you really don't have to push down very much. 

Rich Bennett 44:18
No. I told 

Reed Neubaum 44:19
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you don't... You don't 

Rich Bennett 44:19
her 

Reed Neubaum 44:19
push. 

Rich Bennett 44:20
I wouldn't 

Reed Neubaum 44:20
It's like, I wouldn't do the 

Rich Bennett 44:20
do the work. 

Reed Neubaum 44:20
work. Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 44:22
Yeah. Yeah. No, I was one and done. 

Reed Neubaum 44:25
It's not for everyone, honestly. 

Rich Bennett 44:26
No. 

Katharine Neubaum 44:26
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 44:26
It tickles me. I 

Rich Bennett 44:28
been fighting at all kinds of new toys to use, to use... I think I'm finally getting... Oh, 

Katharine Neubaum 44:34
good. 

Rich Bennett 44:35
I think... Yeah, oh, 

Katharine Neubaum 44:37
Is 

Rich Bennett 44:37
yeah. 

Katharine Neubaum 44:37
a good one. 

Rich Bennett 44:37
But I 

Robyn Furnkas 44:37
That. 

Rich Bennett 44:38
can't... The Therikane? A 

Katharine Neubaum 44:41
candy cane. 

Rich Bennett 44:42
Yeah. It looks like a candy cane with two lupesides. So, if you have, like, tightness or whatever. 

Katharine Neubaum 44:50
Yeah, you... 

Robyn Furnkas 44:50
And 

Rich Bennett 44:52
massage it, but I can never find the point that it can't find. I go to catch, she makes me cry. 

Robyn Furnkas 44:57
She went to school to do 

Rich Bennett 44:58
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 44:58
that. 

Rich Bennett 44:59
Yeah. Yeah. And she hits this one... 

Robyn Furnkas 45:01
You don't have enough initials behind your name 

Katharine Neubaum 45:03
it? 

Robyn Furnkas 45:03
to do 

Rich Bennett 45:05
And I'm like... That when I'm done, it feels amazing. It feels real good. Therikane. What was the other trick that'll lacrosse ball? 

Katharine Neubaum 45:15
lacrosse ball, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 45:18
And I asked her about this, because I had... Before I went to them, from my back, when I had the two pensioners, or the two herniated discs and the saddered nerve, pinched agonervally told me to take that thin roller, but lay on it long ways 

Reed Neubaum 45:35
My 

Rich Bennett 45:36
with my 

Reed Neubaum 45:36
neck 

Rich Bennett 45:36
neck at 

Reed Neubaum 45:36
at the... 

Rich Bennett 45:37
the... And then... My wife, the size, said, "Well, no, try rolling on it." I said, "I don't know, but this is before I ask 

Reed Neubaum 45:46
the 

Rich Bennett 45:46
cat." And then I mentioned the cat, excuse me, 

Reed Neubaum 45:48
wow, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 45:49
right. Don't tell her that. 

Katharine Neubaum 45:51
It's

Rich Bennett 45:52
She 

Robyn Furnkas 45:52
had a put it in writing for... 

Rich Bennett 45:54
I 

Robyn Furnkas 45:55
told... 

Rich Bennett 45:55
went home and 

Robyn Furnkas 45:55
What about...

Rich Bennett 45:56
I went home and told Margie that cat said she was right. And then the conversation's with Rich Bennett. We'll be right back. 

Track 6 46:07
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Rich Bennett 46:28
When, at what? 

Robyn Furnkas 46:29
Dry needle, I've, I have done that 

Rich Bennett 46:31
What 

Robyn Furnkas 46:31
many times. 

Rich Bennett 46:31
is that? Is that, yeah, what is that 

Katharine Neubaum 46:33
We've 

Rich Bennett 46:33
like 

Katharine Neubaum 46:33
never 

Rich Bennett 46:33
acupuncture? 

Katharine Neubaum 46:33
talked. 

Robyn Furnkas 46:34
No, it's, 

Katharine Neubaum 46:35
no, 

Reed Neubaum 46:36
no, it looks like it from the outside, but 

Rich Bennett 46:38
what it, oh, 

Reed Neubaum 46:40
it's not the same thing. So, 

Rich Bennett 46:41
what is dry needle, 

Reed Neubaum 46:43
ehm, 

Katharine Neubaum 46:44
the simplest way to put it is we find tight muscles and trigger points and put the needles in there versus acupuncture, where they're looking for meridians and acupuncture 

Reed Neubaum 46:57
points, 

Katharine Neubaum 46:57
and all that stuff. I know nothing about that. We're not changing that. We find the tight spots 

Rich Bennett 47:03
But, 

Robyn Furnkas 47:04
and 

Rich Bennett 47:04
not a 

Robyn Furnkas 47:04
it 

Rich Bennett 47:05
needle like 

Robyn Furnkas 47:05
hurts. 

Rich Bennett 47:05
you squeeze and inject. 

Katharine Neubaum 47:06
Not a syringe. 

Robyn Furnkas 47:07
It doesn't have anything 

Katharine Neubaum 47:08
it. 

Robyn Furnkas 47:08
in 

Katharine Neubaum 47:09
It looks 

Robyn Furnkas 47:09
oh. 

Katharine Neubaum 47:09
like 

Robyn Furnkas 47:09
Dry needle. 

Rich Bennett 47:10
an ac-- Uh 

Katharine Neubaum 47:11
an 

Robyn Furnkas 47:11
It's 

Katharine Neubaum 47:11
acupuncture needle 

Robyn Furnkas 47:12
and it hurts. 

Katharine Neubaum 47:14
It's, 

Robyn Furnkas 47:14
bad. 

Katharine Neubaum 47:15
Not pleasant. 

Robyn Furnkas 47:16
But, as soon 

Rich Bennett 47:17
Really? 

Robyn Furnkas 47:17
as they remove that needle, it's instant relief. 

Rich Bennett 47:20
Really? 

Robyn Furnkas 47:21
Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. 

Reed Neubaum 47:23
I will say to anyone listening, there is a huge variation of tolerance levels and-- 

Katharine Neubaum 47:29
Yes. 

Reed Neubaum 47:29
You know, like results from it too. 

Robyn Furnkas 47:33
Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 47:33
That's another one. It's not for everyone. 

Robyn Furnkas 47:35
very. 

Reed Neubaum 47:36
We try to use it deliberately. If you have a-- like everyone seems to have those knots, right? 

Rich Bennett 47:44
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 47:45
Up and if you're good with needles and nothing else has happened and nothing else is working 

Robyn Furnkas 47:50
get-- 

Reed Neubaum 47:50
to 

Robyn Furnkas 47:50
I've had it done for the sciatica and oh, my gosh, instant relief. Instant. 

Reed Neubaum 47:54
Yeah, it's really good because you can get the needle to places where you-- we can get our thumbs into deeper places of, you know, doing muscle works from the outside. 

Katharine Neubaum 48:09
The needles go deeper than 

Reed Neubaum 48:11
can get. You're getting directly to the 

Katharine Neubaum 48:13
I 

Reed Neubaum 48:13
muscle, not like the piriformis, for example. I mean, there's a lot of muscles over the-- 

Rich Bennett 48:20
I'm getting 

Reed Neubaum 48:21
scared. 

Rich Bennett 48:22
I'm getting scared now. 

Reed Neubaum 48:23
That's-- 

Robyn Furnkas 48:23
Not for-- 

Reed Neubaum 48:24
It's-- it's definitely not for everyone and not everyone gets instant relief. Sometimes it's-- I usually try and overpromise on the soreness and then underdeliver, but. Yeah, I'll fix a couple of this. 

Rich Bennett 48:36
Just a couple tries. Just like-- what 

Reed Neubaum 48:38
do 

Rich Bennett 48:39
going 

Reed Neubaum 48:39
I-- 

Rich Bennett 48:39
to the car park into the first time, you need to 

Reed Neubaum 48:43
go 

Rich Bennett 48:43
again. And again, because sometimes it's not going to fix it 

Reed Neubaum 48:46
time. 

Rich Bennett 48:46
the first 

Reed Neubaum 48:46
I've seen someone-- no, this is what I mean by. It's kind of all over the place. I have some people, you know, we've got some people that come for needle in. 

Katharine Neubaum 48:57
They 

Reed Neubaum 48:57
have a job or related to-- with their bodies, 

Katharine Neubaum 49:02
they-- 

Reed Neubaum 49:02
job. They get knots so often they need it frequently. 

Robyn Furnkas 49:08
that 

Reed Neubaum 49:09
But one time I had someone they were not crazy about, we've been trying other things for planar fasciitis. And it's 

tired of it. If you have it, it's so obnoxious. It's-- 

Rich Bennett 49:25
That's the thing in the foot, right? 

Reed Neubaum 49:27
Yeah, you can't take a step and it's just-- you can barely walk with it. It's-- it really-- you suffer. 

So we talked about it. And while we weren't really crazy about the idea, it was-- couldn't be worse than what I'm going through, so 

Rich Bennett 49:42
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 49:42
let's do it. And, um, didn't really go so well, the actual treatment part of it, because like I said, not some people don't like needles. They get-- oh, and it does hurt some people. Some people's tolerance levels are just lower. And we kind of had the bail early on. It's like, I can't handle this. Let's just bail. 

Rich Bennett 50:04
Oh, so you guys know-- you mean as business, you guys don't do anymore? Or was it the patient that-- 

Reed Neubaum 50:08
No, we do. No, this 

Robyn Furnkas 50:09
That's 

Reed Neubaum 50:10
particular 

Robyn Furnkas 50:11
particularly-- couldn't 

Reed Neubaum 50:11
patient. 

Robyn Furnkas 50:12
tolerate. 

Reed Neubaum 50:12
Yeah, so it was like I had a needle in for maybe two minutes, took it out. I mean,I  think that the most important part is getting it in the right spot. 

Rich Bennett 50:20
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 50:21
So in this case, I guess I happened to hit the spot and call back to maybe two days later, and said I can't believe I'm asking this, asking for this, but I need you to do the other side because it happens. So it was one needle for two minutes. Fixed this chronic problem. I mean, I'm still trying to-- I don't make claims like that, but I'm just saying like, 

then 10, 

Katharine Neubaum 51:13
15, 

Reed Neubaum 51:13
10, three, your, your way, 

Katharine Neubaum 51:15
Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 51:15
cat? 

Katharine Neubaum 51:15
like I do, I put them in for, I put them all in, so a bunch of needles. Let you sit for 10, 15 minutes and then take them out, which is funny. Circling back to, I don't want to go into the medical field and they're saying blah, blah, blah. I don't like needles. I don't like blood. 

Robyn Furnkas 51:31
But here you are. 

Katharine Neubaum 51:33
Here I am. 

Robyn Furnkas 51:33
When I first, 

Katharine Neubaum 51:35
first job I was required to get dry needling certified and I had no choice. And I think I cried the whole certification process. 

Rich Bennett 51:45
So you don't like to do it? 

Reed Neubaum 51:47
Because, 

Katharine Neubaum 51:47
Oh, no, I do it. No, I don't mind, I don't mind needling 

Robyn Furnkas 51:51
oh no. 

Katharine Neubaum 51:51
now. Now I'm like, I've been needling for 10 years. Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 51:55
Quit squirming. 

Katharine Neubaum 51:56
Yeah, let me get this. 

Rich Bennett 51:58
Yeah, but I'm not a candidate. 

Katharine Neubaum 51:59
But I, oh, you'd be a great one. 

But you'd be a good pin cushion. I don't get needling 

Rich Bennett 52:07
But 

Katharine Neubaum 52:07
done because I'm scared. But 

Rich Bennett 52:09
Do 

Katharine Neubaum 52:09
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 52:09
I have worse than needles stuck in 

Katharine Neubaum 52:11
You, 

Rich Bennett 52:11
me? 

Katharine Neubaum 52:12
yeah. But yeah, my method, I, my method is good for like more of like a broad, base thing. So if like your entire neck is tight, your, all your entire traps, all that, I mean 

Reed Neubaum 52:25
I 

Katharine Neubaum 52:25
I 

Reed Neubaum 52:25
still 

Katharine Neubaum 52:25
still 

Reed Neubaum 52:25
can 

Katharine Neubaum 52:25
can, 

Reed Neubaum 52:26
attack 

Katharine Neubaum 52:27
trigger points as well. 

Robyn Furnkas 52:28
But 

Katharine Neubaum 52:30
his method that he's certified in is different. 

Reed Neubaum 52:34
So I go, I go in and out with the needle. 

Rich Bennett 52:40
Like, 

Katharine Neubaum 52:42
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 52:43
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 52:43
I don't know, okay, 

Reed Neubaum 52:44
what you're looking for is the muscle to twitch. Normal 

Robyn Furnkas 52:47
muscle. Almost like to grab that, like to, to grab it is the way they 

Reed Neubaum 52:51
kind of goes. It kind of just, yeah, the muscle quivers a little bit. 

Rich Bennett 52:55
Yeah. And 

Reed Neubaum 52:56
then it relaxes. And so normal muscle does not twitch when it gets needle. So it means you're on the spot or a, or a spot at least. And while it doesn't have to twitch, it's just a sign that it's in the right spot, or at least there's some sort of issue 

Robyn Furnkas 53:15
And 

Reed Neubaum 53:15
there. 

Robyn Furnkas 53:15
I mean, because I've had it many times at the very first time, My entire body just jumped off the, I mean, 

Reed Neubaum 53:24
control 

Robyn Furnkas 53:24
it 

Reed Neubaum 53:24
it. 

Robyn Furnkas 53:25
was like, 

Reed Neubaum 53:25
yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 53:25
oh, 

Rich Bennett 53:27
So it's in the nurse? 

Katharine Neubaum 53:29
No. 

Robyn Furnkas 53:29
No. No, it's in the muscle. 

Katharine Neubaum 53:31
Muscle. Like, all those knots when you're like, what is that? What is that? That I'm digging 

Robyn Furnkas 53:35
Freezes. 

Katharine Neubaum 53:36
into and you're like crying? 

Rich Bennett 53:37
I am not crying. Close 

Katharine Neubaum 53:40
to it. I 

Robyn Furnkas 53:42
bet he is. I bet he is. 

Rich Bennett 53:47
Who infected her on? Whose idea was this? I am not crying. It is paint, there's 

Reed Neubaum 53:55
something in both my eyes. 

Rich Bennett 53:56
It's painful, but it feels good. It's like that. 

Robyn Furnkas 54:01
It hurts so good. 

Rich Bennett 54:02
Well, yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 54:03
it's that 

Rich Bennett 54:03
feel good pain. 

Robyn Furnkas 54:04
Yeah, but the dry needle as soon as they like took the needle out the first time, I, it was instant relief down my 

Katharine Neubaum 54:11
leg. 

Reed Neubaum 54:11
I'm like, yeah. Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 54:12
Oh, my gosh. Okay. And then they put heat on it to try to, you know, 

Reed Neubaum 54:17
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 54:17
and then I went back and I'm like, I did same thing. I can't believe I'm going to say this. 

Reed Neubaum 54:20
Sorry. Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 54:23
Now do you all do copying also? 

Reed Neubaum 54:26
I just don't have much experience with it. And I've done 

Robyn Furnkas 54:30
That 

Reed Neubaum 54:30
it. 

Robyn Furnkas 54:30
looks very painful. 

Rich Bennett 54:31
What is copying? 

Reed Neubaum 54:34
It's kind of a similar approach as this from the outside. 

Robyn Furnkas 54:39
It's all back. It was burst. 

Reed Neubaum 54:41
Yeah. You put suction cups. 

Katharine Neubaum 54:44
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 54:45
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 54:46
I know how to do it. Come over. 

Rich Bennett 54:48
Catch and now you're not. 

Katharine Neubaum 54:50
I didn't 

Robyn Furnkas 54:51
say 

Reed Neubaum 54:52
she didn't say no. They sell home units. 

Katharine Neubaum 54:54
That one's vacation. 

Robyn Furnkas 54:55
I'll take a plunger on your back. 

Reed Neubaum 54:56
Yeah. That one's safe enough you can buy kits and do it to 

Robyn Furnkas 54:59
Yes. 

Reed Neubaum 54:59
yourself. You need someone else to do it if you can't reach the spots. 

Rich Bennett 55:03
What's the purpose of it? 

Reed Neubaum 55:04
It makes the suction. It pulls up the skin and what it does is it's, it pulls blood flow through the air. But then there's also a mechanical thing where you know they heard of the fascia. Yeah. So it's lifting up fascia and some connective tissue so you can do almost like AR. You know how we do like ART were. Yeah. if you press a muscle and then slide and then stretch 

Rich Bennett 55:26
it, okay? We're 

Reed Neubaum 55:27
playing pressure or so you're getting something mechanical there. See the suction cup is pulling up and then you start moving the muscle underneath it and it helps things slide better. 

Rich Bennett 55:37
Interesting. 

Reed Neubaum 55:38
It 

Robyn Furnkas 55:39
looks painful. 

Reed Neubaum 55:41
Those bruises don't hurt. 

Robyn Furnkas 55:44
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 55:45
Usually, yeah. It looks, 

Robyn Furnkas 55:46
because our brother's like, I'm not doing that, trying to be feeling like, I'm not doing that cupping. 

Bless you. 

Rich Bennett 55:53
No, but you guys don't do

I asked you about it before I think to stretch boards or whatever? Stretch tables? 

Reed Neubaum 56:01
You're like stretched therapy, like, 

Rich Bennett 56:02
yeah I guess that's what it is, where? 

Katharine Neubaum 56:03
Decompression? 

Rich Bennett 56:05
No, it's like, it's

Robyn Furnkas 56:07
oh, it makes you like Gumby, where you lay on the board and they move the front part in the back part. Track-shin, 

Rich Bennett 56:12
I 

Robyn Furnkas 56:13
Track-shin, 

Rich Bennett 56:13
guess. 

Robyn Furnkas 56:13
then. 

Rich Bennett 56:14
I mean I like 

Reed Neubaum 56:15
this. Yeah. Yeah, our tables, technically our decompression tables, but we use our hands to do. So the table does drop down and it kind of does that pull, but we we're focusing on where that pull is based on our hands. 

Robyn Furnkas 56:30
So you do all these different kind of things at your center, but yet there's other car tractors that do nothing but crack? 

Rich Bennett 56:38
Straight 

Reed Neubaum 56:38
car. Well, adjust. Adjust, 

Robyn Furnkas 56:41
sorry. 

Reed Neubaum 56:41
Yeah, no, they would have corrected you. 

Rich Bennett 56:45
Now are you guys still doing the laser therapy too? 

Reed Neubaum 56:48
All the time. 

Rich Bennett 56:50
Wow. 

Reed Neubaum 56:51
We like having tools. 

Rich Bennett 56:53
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 56:53
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 56:54
That's important. 

Reed Neubaum 56:55
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 56:56
So what's the next big thing that you guys, that you guys wouldn't did you don't have yet? 

For car, 

Reed Neubaum 57:03
practical 

Katharine Neubaum 57:04
care. 

Rich Bennett 57:06
Not a new ride alone, more anything like that. 

Reed Neubaum 57:08
Well, I really think, I mean, honestly, the the bigger picture for ultimate health is, you know, right, I have 

the, let's see, what we're calling the three F's of health. There's function, fitness, and fuel. So right now, what I mean by function is how your body functions? How well can you move? Are you, do you have freedom from pain? Like, can you do things without pain? Are you able to do the things that you want to do, And then also, of course, all your, your regular health stuff, 

Rich Bennett 57:43
right? 

Reed Neubaum 57:43
like blood work and sleep and hydration, and like all these, that kind of a function, right? Like, how is your body functioning? So that's one piece and then fitness and all these overlap, by the way, so I think of like a three wave and die. Function is one piece and then fitness is another and then fuel is nutrition. So that those are kind of the lanes that we now we do have a little bit of like some services in all of those. I do nutritional consults every now and then. It's not a huge thing because I'm sometimes I'm 

back with patients. I have my hands, I have someone on the table all the time, so I have a lot of time to do nutrition, but it is a passion of mine. I love getting people eat healthy. 

Robyn Furnkas 58:33
to 

Reed Neubaum 58:33
I like to, I like to take it from an educational standpoint. think the more that you know about nutrition, and also the more you cook for yourself. So that's one of my pieces of free nutritional advice. Cook, learn how to cook and cook for yourself and you will increase your nutrition. 

Rich Bennett 58:47
Is that a hint to somebody? 

Reed Neubaum 58:51
No. Oh, 

Katharine Neubaum 58:52
I'm 

Reed Neubaum 58:53
happy. 

Katharine Neubaum 58:53
I have a personal 

Rich Bennett 58:54
you 

Katharine Neubaum 58:54
chef, 

Rich Bennett 58:55
do, 

Reed Neubaum 58:55
do 

Rich Bennett 58:57
certain things, you won't cook any after. 

Reed Neubaum 58:59
She boils, she boils a mean pot of water. 

No, she can handle her own, I just 

Katharine Neubaum 59:07
No, 

Reed Neubaum 59:07
take it over. 

Katharine Neubaum 59:08
I can cook out of necessity. I don't enjoy it. Read, absolutely loves it. He cooks all of our meals for like what we meal prep. So he cooks, we cook everything up 

Reed Neubaum 59:19
and then 

Katharine Neubaum 59:20
my job to make sure 

Reed Neubaum 59:24
it's 

hot. 

Rich Bennett 59:27
I bet you never burned a pot of water, 

Katharine Neubaum 59:30
have you? I have not. 

Reed Neubaum 59:32
But I'm also, I can't add enough. I can't add the right the appropriate amount of salt 

Katharine Neubaum 59:38
to the water. 

Reed Neubaum 59:39
So 

Rich Bennett 59:40
for like pasta. 

Katharine Neubaum 59:41
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 59:42
According to her, I think I do fine, but 

Katharine Neubaum 59:44
you're just afraid to do it 

Rich Bennett 59:45
Wait 

Katharine Neubaum 59:46
now. 

Rich Bennett 59:46
for me. So we have the Italian here. I got it. 

Katharine Neubaum 59:50
So 

Rich Bennett 59:51
when you add salt to the water, 

Katharine Neubaum 59:53
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 59:53
what kind of salt should you use? 

Katharine Neubaum 59:55
Oh, I don't know. Whatever salt you got. 

Rich Bennett 59:59
Really? Because I mean know growing up. There's always tables, 

Katharine Neubaum 1:00:03
table salt. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:03
regular 

Katharine Neubaum 1:00:03
I mean, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:00:04
growing up, we never heard 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:05
yeah, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:00:05
of him a lay in sea 

Katharine Neubaum 1:00:06
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:06
salt. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:00:07
Yeah. That's what 

Rich Bennett 1:00:07
doing. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:00:07
you're 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:08
wouldn't 

Rich Bennett 1:00:08
Yes. Oh, I wouldn't 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:08
do that. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:08
do that 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:09
I'm 

Rich Bennett 1:00:09
but I 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:09
only Celtic. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:00:10
Or yeah. Or, It, it was, it was, 

Rich Bennett 1:00:14
right. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:00:15
it was iodized salt, at the end. I 

Katharine Neubaum 1:00:17
always, uhm, yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:20
special. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:00:20
nothing 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:20
And don't 

Rich Bennett 1:00:21
break the noodles in half, right? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:00:23
What noodles would you, first of all noodles? I 

Rich Bennett 1:00:26
gotta get any 

Robyn Furnkas 1:00:27
Pasta? 

Rich Bennett 1:00:27
noodles. sorry, 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:28
I'm not 

Rich Bennett 1:00:29
pasta. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:00:32
I'm 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:32
talking 

Rich Bennett 1:00:36
about 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:36
noodles. No, she means 

Robyn Furnkas 1:00:38
Maryland thing. 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:39
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:00:40
Siscicketti on the package. It doesn't say macaroni. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:00:48
No Italians ever gonna say 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:52
noodle. It's too, all of it 

Katharine Neubaum 1:00:54
macaroni. 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:54
is 

Robyn Furnkas 1:00:57
It's like, and 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:58
spaghetti 

Robyn Furnkas 1:00:59
is spaghetti. 

Reed Neubaum 1:00:59
It's like, a noodle. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:01:00
It's like, Dr. Pepper and Sprite are all coke. What kind of coke do you want? 

Rich Bennett 1:01:04
Oh, 

Katharine Neubaum 1:01:06
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:01:07
I can't think. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:08
Okay. Never mind. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:01:10
So, on that 

Katharine Neubaum 1:01:12
line 

Rich Bennett 1:01:13
of cooking, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:01:14
because, no, but, you know, you guys have been in this nine years now, but you're still fairly young. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:01:21
Yes. Yes. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:01:21
Where do you, not where do you envision it, but where do you see chiropractic going in the next decade or so? By the time you retire. 

Reed Neubaum 1:01:32
I 

have 

a feeling there's gonna be a split. There's already a dichotomy within the 

Robyn Furnkas 1:01:46
profession. 

Reed Neubaum 1:01:48
That's a big word for a 

Rich Bennett 1:01:51
sandwich. 

Reed Neubaum 1:01:55
That, that honestly, the public doesn't really know much about. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:01:59
Uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:02:00
Do. Yeah. There really are two different kinds of chiropractor, chiropractor. There's the more traditional type, and then there's the more, you know, in more medical type like, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:02:13
uh-huh, uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:02:15
The 

more traditional type of chiropractor, there are the ones with the reputations of being, you know, what you said, back-crackers, you know, their mission is to adjust. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:02:29
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:02:30
And that's fair. They're helping a whole lot of people by doing 

Robyn Furnkas 1:02:34
that. Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:02:34
Now, they might be, some might be slipping through the cracks, you know, from my point of view. I think that, you know, I'm looking at the person as a whole musculoskeletal system. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:02:44
So, uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:02:45
Treating, you know, some muscle, some problems really are muscle problems, and they're not joint problems. know, they're, yeah, there are more problems than just treating 

Robyn Furnkas 1:02:56
You 

Reed Neubaum 1:02:57
restricted joints. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:02:58
Right, 

Reed Neubaum 1:02:59
right. But that's not what those kind of chiropractor believes. So there is a split and not people, a lot of people don't realize that when they're shopping for a chiropractor, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:03:09
we're 

Reed Neubaum 1:03:09
all called chiropractor. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:11
Yeah, I 

Robyn Furnkas 1:03:11
Right. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:11
did. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:03:11
You 

Reed Neubaum 1:03:12
have no idea. And then there's kind of like the more more integrated, we're getting along with the healthcare system more, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:03:21
uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:03:22
R. And I, I can see why a lot of the medical community doesn't like 

judging chiropractors as a whole, but really, their problem might be with 

Rich Bennett 1:03:34
chiropr—they're 

Robyn Furnkas 1:03:35
the traditional. The 

Reed Neubaum 1:03:36
traditional 

Robyn Furnkas 1:03:36
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:03:36
type of chiropractor. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:03:37
It 

Reed Neubaum 1:03:38
was like, and, and honestly, one of the, one of the reasons for that is because the term of, is one term, and that's called the subluxation. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:46
Are 

Reed Neubaum 1:03:46
heard? Have 

Rich Bennett 1:03:46
you 

Reed Neubaum 1:03:46
you heard this? Right. So, you understand what a subluxation is from a chiropractic standpoint. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:03:52
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:03:53
If you said, yeah, my chiropractor treats my spinal subluxations through adjustments to, if you said that to, if you said that to a orthopedic surgeon, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:04:11
a 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:11
medical doctor, their definition of subluxation is dislocation. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:04:18
Uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:18
Subluxation like, if you don't, like the medical, you don't say, a doctor doesn't write down on the diagnosis. You have a dislocated shoulder. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:27
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:27
You call it a subluxed glenohumeral joint. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:29
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:31
So, the term subluxation 

Robyn Furnkas 1:04:32
out of whack. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:33
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:33
No, 

Rich Bennett 1:04:33
I know. 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:34
it's out 

Robyn Furnkas 1:04:34
joint. 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:34
of the 

Robyn Furnkas 1:04:35
Yeah. What's a big word again. 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:37
I know. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:04:38
It's trying to dumb it down for… 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:40
Man. 

What are we doing? This is the roast of rich menet now. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:46
Oh my co-host. 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:47
Let's go. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:04:48
Yeah. 

God, 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:53
God. So that's one of the issues and this has been a problem for a long time. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:04:58
Uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:04:59
Hawking decades, where chiropractors use this term subloxation, but it's defined differently in the medical terminology. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:05:07
and 

Reed Neubaum 1:05:07
so medical doctors, you know, the more modern healthcare providers are right to question joint manipulation to a subloxation, but we as chiropractors you be like, 'hey, hang on, we need chiropractic subloxation, which means a joint that's lost to degree of motion'. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:05:28
is. Right. So 

Reed Neubaum 1:05:30
There he 

Robyn Furnkas 1:05:31
both are- 

Reed Neubaum 1:05:31
bligment damage and you're pushing a bone back. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:05:34
Because that's what they've been taught, and 

Reed Neubaum 1:05:36
Yes. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:05:36
you've been taught something completely different. 

Reed Neubaum 1:05:38
Right, and it's really, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:05:40
** 

Reed Neubaum 1:05:40
that's one of the 

Robyn Furnkas 1:05:40
make sense. Huge, 

Reed Neubaum 1:05:42
um, things, so one of the things is like, catching up with the medical. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:05:46
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:05:46
And saying like, hey, we don't do that. If that's what you think we do, we don't do 

Robyn Furnkas 1:05:49
Mhmm. 

Reed Neubaum 1:05:49
that. And by the way, we're aware of red flags for strokes, and when they- when someone has a red flag. Chiropractors 

Robyn Furnkas 1:05:58
No, what to do. 

Reed Neubaum 1:05:59
shouldn't adjust them. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:06:01
Right, right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:02
So 

yeah, and by the way, the stats on the stroke part- 

Rich Bennett 1:06:07
it's very low. 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:08
you have the same statistics of having a stroke, or the same chances of having a stroke after you see your primary care doctor. And walking down the street. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:06:18
Then you do. 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:18
Then you do. Now there are cases where yeah, maybe chiropractors miss red flags, but 

Robyn Furnkas 1:06:23
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:23
so do a whole lot of other healthcare 

Rich Bennett 1:06:25
So 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:25
professionals. A 

Rich Bennett 1:06:25
I 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:25
lot of 

Rich Bennett 1:06:25
was- 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:26
you get singled out. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:28
So yeah. Then we just see that with a friend. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:06:30
Mhmm. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:31
Oh 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:31
yeah. Yeah, yeah. Unfortunately no provider is perfect, so 

Robyn Furnkas 1:06:35
So 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:35
things- 

Robyn Furnkas 1:06:35
you see that gap closing in you think? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:06:39
I 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:40
think that a lot more- you know, other, you know, healthcare providers are more open to the right. Um, so we get- we get plenty of referral straight 

Rich Bennett 1:06:51
Well 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:52
from medical. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:52
that's your 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:52
offense. Primary cares. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:54
Yeah. Now my original doctor would not- would never have recommended a chiropractor. 

Reed Neubaum 1:06:57
Yeah. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:59
But then he wasn't in that day and I saw the new guy. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:07:02
Well, I also think the age of the primary makes a huge- 

Rich Bennett 1:07:06
Well, yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:07:08
Yeah. But the ducts with strong opinions on it are phasing out. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:07:12
Yeah. That's 

Rich Bennett 1:07:13
true. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:07:14
Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

Reed Neubaum 1:07:14
Yeah. We've talked to- I've talked to medical doctors before and you know, it's like, hey, do you like when one of your patients comes in with non-specific low back pain, like nothing happened, they just woke up with it. They don't have radiculopathy, which is like, sciatica and all 

Robyn Furnkas 1:07:33
Uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:07:33
this stuff. You don't have muscle weakness. Their back hurts a little bit more that day and it's not going away for a couple of days or a week. Do you like seeing that patient and most of the answers like, no, I have more serious things to treat. So that's why they're like, here, take this, take this, rest, come back if it's no better and maybe you get a PT script at that point. And then, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:07:56
or go get an MRI and this and 

Reed Neubaum 1:07:59
yeah, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:07:59
that and lay flat on your back for two hours. Why you can't move your back 

Rich Bennett 1:08:03
to the difference 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:05
between a lot of 

Rich Bennett 1:08:05
those people. 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:07
Other people in medical 

Rich Bennett 1:08:08
field and coming to a chiropractor, 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:10
field and 

Rich Bennett 1:08:10
and I've noticed it. And a lot of people I've talked to, even some primary doctors really don't like this. They don't get to spend as much time with the patient as they would 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:21
love to. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:22
You guys 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:23
do. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:23
You guys make 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:25
personal ideologies. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:27
I mean, 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:28
it's nice that we have that freedom. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:30
yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:31
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:08:31
because, and I think a lot of it's got 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:33
to do, it might be 

Rich Bennett 1:08:35
health insurance companies or whatever. Doctors have a certain amount of time to get people in 

Robyn Furnkas 1:08:40
and in that. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:41
Well, you got a doctor 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:43
rated 

Rich Bennett 1:08:43
that 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:43
regular 

Rich Bennett 1:08:44
doctor, they see if they come in and see you for two to five minutes, but you're still there for a half hour as the receptionist and everybody else is typing in everything. 

Reed Neubaum 1:08:54
But 

Rich Bennett 1:08:55
here you go to the chiropractor and 

Robyn Furnkas 1:08:57
they can't do their job in two 

Rich Bennett 1:08:59
Yeah, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:08:59
minutes. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:00
I mean, 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:01
I don't think so. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:09:02
No, 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:02
no time. Yeah, it's unfair. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:09:05
Right, 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:05
you want 

Rich Bennett 1:09:06
right. Seems 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:06
to 

Rich Bennett 1:09:06
like 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:07
spend more time with their patients. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:09:09
Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:10
yeah, yeah. So I see that part of a big, a big change. You know, even even the docks that refer to us, you know, sometimes they're even like, well, they don't necessarily recommend it, but if a patient asks, like, hey, what do you think about 

Robyn Furnkas 1:09:27
it? Do you get more? Well, obviously not the recommendations from the standard PCPs, but from homeopathic doctors. Do you get more recommendations? 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:39
The 

Rich Bennett 1:09:39
why the why doctor's? 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:40
homeopathic. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:41
Well, 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:42
yeah. Not so much. A lot of 'em, I feel like they're our chiropractors, you know? 

Robyn Furnkas 1:09:47
Ah, okay. 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:47
If that's like peanut butter and jelly like.. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:09:49
Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:49
But that would sound like 

Robyn Furnkas 1:09:50
fair. 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:50
me referring to another chiropractor 

Robyn Furnkas 1:09:53
Right, 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:54
almost. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:09:54
right. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:09:55
Which 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:55
For 

Katharine Neubaum 1:09:55
we do. 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:55
the same reason. Which, I, yeah, I do, I mean, 

Katharine Neubaum 1:09:57
We do. 

Reed Neubaum 1:09:58
yeah, for sure. Uhm, yeah, the, the medical 

Robyn Furnkas 1:10:05
So do you see that expanding? Like, uh, the chiropractic, 

Reed Neubaum 1:10:08
system. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:10:09
the, the type that you're doing, and the homeopathic doctors stuff in segue anymore, I guess, are melding more.. 

Reed Neubaum 1:10:17
Well, I think 

Katharine Neubaum 1:10:18
so. 

Reed Neubaum 1:10:18
That's why that's why I really what I mean by the function, function, fuel, and fitness. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:10:22
Yes. 

Reed Neubaum 1:10:23
Alright. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:10:23
'Cause it all goes together. 

Reed Neubaum 1:10:25
Chiropractor, uh, and, and if.. Let me see, if I just round out the whole chiropractic 

Robyn Furnkas 1:10:32
thing, 

Reed Neubaum 1:10:33
because this will make sense. 

the traditional type chiro is to adjust. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:10:40
There's 

Reed Neubaum 1:10:40
They should be called chiropractors. That's what they're, that's how it was created. They're following the purest, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:10:49
yeah. Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:10:50
The fullest, you know, interpretation of the philosophy and science of chiropractic. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:10:54
Uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:10:56
Then we added in all the modern stuff, like PT, so there's like a, I don't know, call it a chirofisio. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:04
Uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:04
Integrative chiropractor, someone who's more... 

Katharine Neubaum 1:11:09
...With 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:10
the modern health care. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:10
Uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:11
I'm not totally anti-medications 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:16
One 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:16
and surgeries. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:16
needs, right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:17
Yeah, I, and I needed a surgery myself on my back. It's ironic, right? 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:21
Uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:21
But guess what? There was no chiropractor. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:24
That could fix 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:25
That could have fixed my structural 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:27
it. 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:27
problem. It 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:28
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:28
has its time and place. You know, and that's where I see the split going. Two different titles. And then you're going to know what you're going to get at the chiropractor and then you're going to know what you're going to get at the chirofisio. At least somewhat. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:41
I like that, yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:42
I would prefer that. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:44
Uh-huh. 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:44
And I stopped. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:44
Sure. 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:45
I don't have to explain that, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:11:47
The difference. 

Reed Neubaum 1:11:47
you know, and that's where the, you know, the... ...Rekind of check. One of my favorite chiropractor jokes is how many, how many chiropractors does it take to screw in a light bulb? One, but it'll take three times a week for the next eight 

Robyn Furnkas 1:12:00
Of 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:00
weeks. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:12:01
course. 

All that. 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:03
You know, I'm trying to get people out of the office as, like, go live your life. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:08
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:08
You know, so I'm trying to find a way that my patients don't need me ever again. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:12:12
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:14
a different thing. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:12:15
So 

Katharine Neubaum 1:12:15
not 

Robyn Furnkas 1:12:15
I'm 

Katharine Neubaum 1:12:15
getting rid of you rich, don't I? 

Robyn Furnkas 1:12:18
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:19
The reality is we know you're not going anywhere because you're going, something's going to happen, and like stuff happens. So 

Katharine Neubaum 1:12:26
But 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:26
you're 

Katharine Neubaum 1:12:26
we're 

Rich Bennett 1:12:26
always... 

Katharine Neubaum 1:12:27
here 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:27
need... 

Katharine Neubaum 1:12:27
when, when you 

Rich Bennett 1:12:28
The, the funny thing 

Robyn Furnkas 1:12:30
It 

Rich Bennett 1:12:30
is... seems like I always know when that six week mark is coming up. I think I come due to come see you next week 

Katharine Neubaum 1:12:37
Next week, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:38
because... My neighbor, I'm outside walk. He's like, I always ask him. I said, "Hey, 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:43
you 

Rich Bennett 1:12:43
if 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:43
need to..." Yeah, I did 

Rich Bennett 1:12:44
yesterday. 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:44
too 

Rich Bennett 1:12:44
What 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:44
much 

Rich Bennett 1:12:44
you just said, he said, "Hey, if you have... Lower and back seat." I said, "You know what I mean?" I said, "Car 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:49
repair next week." 

Rich Bennett 1:12:50
said, 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:50
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:50
"Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:51
I 

Rich Bennett 1:12:51
come and think of it. I did." 

Reed Neubaum 1:12:52
You should switch to five weeks. Nah. I'll 

Katharine Neubaum 1:12:56
give it 

Rich Bennett 1:12:57
minute, 

Katharine Neubaum 1:12:57
a 

Rich Bennett 1:12:57
six because... 

Robyn Furnkas 1:12:58
Start dry needling, and then only come once a year. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:13:02
Actually, 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:03
Cambridge. I've done that before, 

Rich Bennett 1:13:05
my 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:05
right? My neighbors 

Rich Bennett 1:13:06
neighbors 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:06
were 

Rich Bennett 1:13:06
was 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:07
at 

Rich Bennett 1:13:07
at 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:07
Cambridge. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:07
Once, somebody that comes to a carrier prag... 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:10
Only once. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:12
And says it doesn't work. to them? What's 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:16
What's 

Rich Bennett 1:13:16
your 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:16
your recommendation 

Rich Bennett 1:13:17
recommendation to them? Because... Good. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:13:20
Well, I'm just going to say what kind of chiropractor did they see? And also... 

Robyn Furnkas 1:13:27
But that's wrong? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:13:28
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:28
Yeah. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:13:29
It's not that simple. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:30
It's 

Katharine Neubaum 1:13:30
If we could work... If we could work miracles and fix 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:32
wrong. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:13:33
people in one visit... You can't. I don't know anybody that can. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:36
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:37
And you... 

Rich Bennett 1:13:38
I mean, just... Because I've seen, in the office I've seen... Well, you two, and I forget the other guy's 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:45
What is it 

Rich Bennett 1:13:46
name. 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:46
Nathan? 

Rich Bennett 1:13:46
But... 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:46
But... Nathan? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:13:47
Dr. Evan? 

Rich Bennett 1:13:48
Yes. Yes. Because... 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:51
Somebody 

Rich Bennett 1:13:51
had... ...have 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:51
had 

Rich Bennett 1:13:52
babies. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:13:52
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 1:13:55
...read, stop. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:13:56
it's.... 

Rich Bennett 1:13:57
So, 

Reed Neubaum 1:13:58
...so... 

Rich Bennett 1:13:58
I saw Evan the first time, but it was... So, 

Reed Neubaum 1:14:01
four of you 

Rich Bennett 1:14:01
in that office already, because John first... And then you guys took over. And the three of you said you took over. But I can... I can feel a difference from each... ...one of you. Yes. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:14:13
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:13
Which... It's like you all do different. I don't... I can't 

Katharine Neubaum 1:14:18
We 

Rich Bennett 1:14:18
say. 

Reed Neubaum 1:14:18
different 

Katharine Neubaum 1:14:18
all 

Reed Neubaum 1:14:18
differences. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:14:18
have 

Reed Neubaum 1:14:18
It's a style. I mean, our approach is relatively similar. I mean, very very close but our style 

Rich Bennett 1:14:26
is yeah. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:14:26
Yes. Style is the better word

Reed Neubaum 1:14:28
style. I ain't got no style. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:32
Alright, so, um, somebody that's on defense 

Reed Neubaum 1:14:37
about 

Rich Bennett 1:14:38
to try 

Reed Neubaum 1:14:38
trying 

Rich Bennett 1:14:39
try trying try try and try to practice care at all, because they hear all the misconceptions and the myths. What 

Reed Neubaum 1:14:46
what would 

Rich Bennett 1:14:47
would you 

Reed Neubaum 1:14:47
you 

Rich Bennett 1:14:47
tell, 

Reed Neubaum 1:14:47
tell today? 

This is a managing managing expectations issue, um, 

and honestly, this is kind of why I want to that's why we almost want to separate ourselves from the back cracker type. I'm always telling people it's not about the crack, even though it feels like something more has happened when that happens. We're looking at the function of your whole body and that doesn't change overnight. It's a thing of it like a healing process. You know, that doesn't even a broken bone. Heels really fast compared to other things in your body. And we're talking about like how long might a problem have taken to establish. So take that into account when you're expecting when you're expecting results on the other end probably where it I would point to. I mean, managing expectations is almost the majority of our job. It's like 

Robyn Furnkas 1:15:48
is 

Reed Neubaum 1:15:48
why aren't I better? Because it's been shoot I say that at the four week mark sometimes with certain things. It's like you are just getting started. You've had back pain for 10 years. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:16:00
at right 

Reed Neubaum 1:16:00
Can you at least give me 10 weeks before you start saying this is not working. 

Yeah, and I guess I would question if it was someone that didn't see me. I mean, I explain all this by the way. I'm not a miracle worker, although sometimes it does happen. I would love it. And I actually try to expect miracles to happen because I've seen it, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:16:25
but. Right they're fueling far between. 

Reed Neubaum 1:16:27
But I don't, but I don't promise it. 

Rich Bennett 1:16:28
Actually, since we have the kids here, do you 

Reed Neubaum 1:16:31
guys work on babysoo as well? That's one where we refer to another perhaps. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:16:36
So no, 

Rich Bennett 1:16:36
okay. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:16:37
My 

Robyn Furnkas 1:16:38
rule 

Katharine Neubaum 1:16:38
is if you got to be able to talk to me. We'll take kids, but you got to be able to talk. So we see a lot of young you know, I'm not going to see a baby is what I mean. 

Rich Bennett 1:16:50
Okay, 

Reed Neubaum 1:16:51
are 

Rich Bennett 1:16:51
there 

Reed Neubaum 1:16:51
people that 

Robyn Furnkas 1:16:52
forget that 

Reed Neubaum 1:16:52
people that 

Robyn Furnkas 1:16:53
the three 

Rich Bennett 1:16:53
say, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:16:54
week. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:16:54
yeah, I know 

Katharine Neubaum 1:16:54
yeah, so we see a lot of like young athletes, you know, the 

Rich Bennett 1:16:59
right 

Katharine Neubaum 1:17:00
10 year old baseball player that has 

Rich Bennett 1:17:01
your easy athletes a 

Katharine Neubaum 1:17:03
But 

Rich Bennett 1:17:03
lot. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:17:05
babies, we don't 

Rich Bennett 1:17:07
okay. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:17:07
So we refer up to up to most my optimal spine. Up in Aberdeen, that's actually, I took Walker there. Dr. Jen, she was amazing. Took care of Walker, because I, I don't know what I'm doing with the baby, 

Rich Bennett 1:17:24
right? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:17:24
So she helped him with a lot of like colloquy and feeding issues. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:30
car 

Reed Neubaum 1:17:30
Which 

Rich Bennett 1:17:30
practice care for that? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:17:32
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:17:33
Yeah, yeah. The traumatic thing birth is, 

Katharine Neubaum 1:17:35
yeah, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:17:35
yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 1:17:35
for the baby, too. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:17:36
Right, they say that that's one of the most traumatic things for an infant. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:17:40
Yeah, so so I took, I took Walker up to see her, because I wasn't going to be the one. I don't know enough 

Rich Bennett 1:17:48
Right. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:17:48
to know what I'm looking for, how to treat a baby. So yeah, whenever people are like, Oh, can you see my baby? Or I just had a baby, like we have patients that, you know, that go through pregnancy and all of that have the baby. They're like, can you see my baby? I'm like, nope. Go see Dr. Jen. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:05
Interesting. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:18:06
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:07
All right, so something very important, website and hand to people getting touched if you guys read you better cover this one 

Reed Neubaum 1:18:16
website, because apparently cat doesn't look 

Rich Bennett 1:18:18
because the 

Reed Neubaum 1:18:18
like a website. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:18:20
busy 

Rich Bennett 1:18:21
Little 

Katharine Neubaum 1:18:21
lately. 

Reed Neubaum 1:18:22
It's mama to you. 

Back to ultimate health.com. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:32
The number two, 

Reed Neubaum 1:18:32
The number two, back to ultimate health.com. There is a website form that you can fill out to request an appointment. You could also text us. We have a, we have a texting line for the office so you can actually reach. You know, it does come to my phone, although I don't, I'm not 24 seven. I'm not 

Rich Bennett 1:18:55
right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:18:55
concierge, 

but I do read the messages, but the number that you can text is 443 222 0033. If it is on the weekends we, ehm, you'll, you'll get a message that it's after hours and that we'll get 

Robyn Furnkas 1:19:12
[BLANK_AUDIO] 

Reed Neubaum 1:19:12
back to you, uh, when we're in next, but, um, plenty of people just text us and they don't really have to call the office. We can do everything we need to do basically. Um, over, over text, if it's

Rich Bennett 1:19:28
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:19:28
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:19:28
And those of you listening, make sure you check out the videos, because you're going to be rolling, especially if dr. Buddy actually read one you're going to do some of the goofy videos. 

Reed Neubaum 1:19:38
all this and we just had a, we're gonna, we had a little marketing, um, meeting just us two. Um, we're, we are going to keep the, the goofy stuff, um, 

Rich Bennett 1:19:49
Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 1:19:49
the 

Rich Bennett 1:19:49
but I haven't 

Reed Neubaum 1:19:49
more 

Rich Bennett 1:19:50
seen 

Reed Neubaum 1:19:50
fun entertaining, 

Rich Bennett 1:19:50
and yet. 

Reed Neubaum 1:19:53
A goofy one. I was in the, a delicious one. 

Rich Bennett 1:19:57
Yeah, I don't think I've 

Robyn Furnkas 1:19:57
one. 

Rich Bennett 1:19:58
seen that 

Robyn Furnkas 1:19:58
Maybe you need to get on the website. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:00
I am. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:20:00
I'll have to send you. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:02
I'm in one of the videos. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:20:03
I'll tag you in it. You are one of the. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:06
Yeah. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:20:06
It was a very good video. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:20:07
Yes. It was. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:08
Yeah, I thought, and I do once I did that kick, if I would have felt that, I wouldn't got yelled at it. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:20:15
I, when I saw you go up in the other thought, oh, 

Rich Bennett 1:20:19
I wanted to go a lot higher. But I was like, better not. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:20:23
We done beautifully done. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:25
Rob, do you have any more questions? 

Robyn Furnkas 1:20:26
Yeah. No, it really fascinating. I think it's a fascinating science. Is that what you call? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:20:32
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:20:33
And it's. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:36
And it isn't art. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:20:37
so, and we 

Katharine Neubaum 1:20:38
I love 

Robyn Furnkas 1:20:38
appreciate your 

Katharine Neubaum 1:20:38
both 

Robyn Furnkas 1:20:38
guys coming on, you know, they always learned something. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:20:42
Good. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:42
Do you guys have anything to add? This is going to be fun for. Or do you guys have anything to add? I forget to the last questions. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:20:48
Oh, no. 

Reed Neubaum 1:20:50
Oh, no, I'm like, well, I, your, your question about, you know, where's the profession and where's the ultimate health going? You know, it's like the other side. So I am one of those. We are one of those chirofisio places. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:21:05
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:21:05
You know, for the profession, at least that side of it, right? There are going to be chiropractors are not going to change. They're not going to. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:21:11
Correct. 

Reed Neubaum 1:21:11
For hundred years, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:21:13
right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:21:13
I'm going to change in the future. So that's why 

Robyn Furnkas 1:21:14
Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 1:21:14
I'm saying like stick to that. That's a chiropractor. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:21:16
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:21:17
Right. Irofisio, I do like doing PT and rehab and. People to get fit and eat better and at that. So that's where this whole function fitness and fuel thing came from. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:21:27
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:21:27
But I see us adding a ton more fitness classes. Where we used to have kettlebell classes. I just got too busy and it kind of fizzled out. That wasn't like, we 

Robyn Furnkas 1:21:37
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:21:37
weren't doing that much to promote it. And it was just a fun thing to do for a little while. It 

Robyn Furnkas 1:21:42
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:21:42
did get some people into kettlebell training. And that was worth it. But we do have a yoga class that Kirsten teaches. That's a couple times a week and sometimes we're full on those. So I would love to expand that. I mean, shoot, I would love to build a whole pole bar now in the back of the property. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:00
Oh, what? 

Reed Neubaum 1:22:01
A pole barn to make it a gym so that people can come and we have a little. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:06
Oh, okay, I thought you meant for like pole dancing and all. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:22:10
No. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:10
That's that is exercise. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:22:12
Richie the garage. A 

Reed Neubaum 1:22:18
barn. Let's call it 

Rich Bennett 1:22:20
barn. 

Reed Neubaum 1:22:20
a 

Robyn Furnkas 1:22:21
It's 

Reed Neubaum 1:22:21
build a structure. Why are you interested? We can. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:26
Oh, God. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:22:27
No. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:29
No, I've had people want to do that and they go running and jump on that pole. So I'd be afraid. I'd hurt 

Reed Neubaum 1:22:33
something 

Rich Bennett 1:22:34
and can't yeah. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:22:36
I could. Hey, 

Rich Bennett 1:22:36
Yeah. Okay. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:22:36
job security 

Rich Bennett 1:22:37
I could. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:22:37
for me. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:38
trying to explain that when they can't when I walk in. 

Reed Neubaum 1:22:41
We 

Rich Bennett 1:22:42
I'm sorry. Go ahead. 

Reed Neubaum 1:22:46
I would love to build a gym. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:47
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 1:22:48
I mean, like have it the clinic gym kind of hybrid, where so. You cut you might come in for 

Katharine Neubaum 1:22:56
back pain. 

Reed Neubaum 1:22:57
Then you go through rehabbing 

Katharine Neubaum 1:23:00
some 

Reed Neubaum 1:23:02
Then you go into your into her fit. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:23:07
And 

Reed Neubaum 1:23:08
then also have a nutrition column to it too. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:23:11
just 

Reed Neubaum 1:23:11
That's 

Katharine Neubaum 1:23:11
that. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:23:12
Because so many times, no matter what you're doing in physical therapy or the gym or whatever, you get diagnosed with something new and so much of that has to do with nutrition. Especially my age and older. Oh, how do we change our? 

Reed Neubaum 1:23:26
So 

Robyn Furnkas 1:23:27
what do we now eat? Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 1:23:28
right? I just see there's so much overlap with these 

Robyn Furnkas 1:23:31
things. 

Reed Neubaum 1:23:31
three 

Robyn Furnkas 1:23:31
Yes. 

Reed Neubaum 1:23:32
It just fits into the car practice model 

Robyn Furnkas 1:23:35
and 

Reed Neubaum 1:23:36
PT gym nutrition. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:23:38
I like it. 

Reed Neubaum 1:23:38
Nice is what we want. I mean, shoot, I've even gone this far as to like, I'm practicing some- some, I mean, I'm reluctant to call it farming just yet, it's more hobby farming right now. But I have a little orchard, we got a berry page, a vegetable gardens, or stuff like that, and I want- 

Robyn Furnkas 1:23:55
yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:23:55
Who knows, maybe we have a, have a whole like, CSA kind of thing out of our own practice, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:24:01
yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:02
Like, I, like, I mean, I would love to partner with Brad's, I mean, we're, we, we go to the- the, we're members of the CSA Bradz. 

Rich Bennett 1:24:09
Uh, partner with Richardson Forest. 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:12
Richardson's- 

Rich Bennett 1:24:13
(laughter) 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:14
Checked out the- 

Rich Bennett 1:24:15
Bradz is good, too. 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:16
But still, 

Robyn Furnkas 1:24:16
That's 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:16
point 

Robyn Furnkas 1:24:17
our 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:17
is- 

Robyn Furnkas 1:24:17
f--. 

Rich Bennett 1:24:18
(laughter) 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:18
Yeah, no, I mean, point is, CSA's are 

Rich Bennett 1:24:21
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:21
great for nutrition also, because, you know, you're getting, you know, like high quality. I mean, ain't it's a need for nutrition. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:24:27
Yes, 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:27
Vegetables 

Robyn Furnkas 1:24:27
of course. 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:28
rather than the grocery 

Robyn Furnkas 1:24:29
store stuff. Mm-hmm. 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:29
I mean, like, we could even do, like, uh, even like a food. Part of nutrition, too. I want to start posting more about what, like, this weekend, we are 

Rich Bennett 1:24:42
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:42
recording our meal prep, because we do meal prep every single weekend. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:24:46
That is a great idea, and people don't know- 

Reed Neubaum 1:24:48
(inaudible) 

Robyn Furnkas 1:24:48
You know, there's a proper way to wash vegetables, and you can't just, 'cause you put it at the grocery store, they have not washed it. You can't just open the container and start eating them. Yeah, people don't know 

Rich Bennett 1:25:00
The 

Robyn Furnkas 1:25:00
that. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:00
other thing is, too, a lot of people don't realize, sir, you know, what things they can eat to help stop, like, inflammation. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:25:07
Uh-huh. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:08
Um, and dad, I hope, like I just found out the other day, when you need a kiwi, eating the skins good for you. I, 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:15
I didn't know 

Reed Neubaum 1:25:16
Little 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:16
that. 

Reed Neubaum 1:25:17
tough. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:17
Yeah, yeah, I never knew that, but apparently he's got a lot of nutrients in it. Salmon. Yeah, we eat, do you eat salmon? Okay. No. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:24
No. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:24
All right. So if you 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:25
I 

Rich Bennett 1:25:25
don't need. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:26
wish I 

Reed Neubaum 1:25:26
No, 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:26
did. 

Reed Neubaum 1:25:26
I'm new. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:27
Oh, okay. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:27
I wish I, that's, I was thinking about that today. Man, I really wish I ate salmon because it's so good for 

Rich Bennett 1:25:32
you. And the skin is the best 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:33
part. Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:25:34
I've ordered salmon skin sushi places before they'll just serve you the skin, even. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:39
Really? 

Reed Neubaum 1:25:39
Really? Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:41
Wow. 

Reed Neubaum 1:25:41
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:42
Yeah, actually, you ever thought I'd been doing a cookbook? 

Reed Neubaum 1:25:44
I know I'd love to. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:45
Yes, no. 

Reed Neubaum 1:25:46
I mean, it would be, it would be, 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:48
the time 

Robyn Furnkas 1:25:48
finding the time is the big. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:50
And when, when we're, well, not me, I'm home with the kids mostly, 

Reed Neubaum 1:25:54
but. 

Seeing 

Katharine Neubaum 1:25:58
patients all week. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:59
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:25:59
Pulled 

Katharine Neubaum 1:26:00
back from that. We can't take the strides. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:26:05
They're all in the back burner. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:26:06
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:26:07
Yeah. What are you going to do? 

Reed Neubaum 1:26:08
Are your 

Rich Bennett 1:26:09
recipes written down? 

Start writing your recipes, 

Reed Neubaum 1:26:13
I'm so that simple that I don't. 

Rich Bennett 1:26:16
I know. 

Reed Neubaum 1:26:16
Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:26:21
All right. So who wants to go first for the last question? Because you guys are going to pick the question. 

Okay. All right. Pick a number between one and five. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:26:30
God, 

Reed Neubaum 1:26:32
wish I had a 

Rich Bennett 1:26:34
dice. Well, dice 

Reed Neubaum 1:26:34
to, 

Rich Bennett 1:26:35
has 

Reed Neubaum 1:26:36
You just, 

Rich Bennett 1:26:36
two. 

Reed Neubaum 1:26:36
if it's a one, you reroll. 

Rich Bennett 1:26:38
Okay. 

Twenty one and 40. 

Reed Neubaum 1:26:44
23. 

Rich Bennett 1:26:45
23. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:26:45
Nice. 

Rich Bennett 1:26:47
Okay. Okay. Is it going? I don't know these questions. I got a hundred different questions here. If you could give your younger self one piece of wisdom, what would it be? 

Remember cats here. So, yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:27:14
How young? Keep 

Robyn Furnkas 1:27:19
moving the seat over in the lecture 

Katharine Neubaum 1:27:21
Yeah. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:27:21
hall. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:27:22
Oh, 

Reed Neubaum 1:27:23
that one. 

Rich Bennett 1:27:28
Walker even liked that answer. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:27:30
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:27:31
Yeah. That's 

Rich Bennett 1:27:32
a hard question. 

Reed Neubaum 1:27:32
This is a hard question. Because I'm thinking of like what point would I? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:27:37
I'm

Reed Neubaum 1:27:38
getting hung up on when I would give the advice. Like there is different advice I would give to. 

Rich Bennett 1:27:44
Yeah. 

Reed Neubaum 1:27:46
Uh-huh. Different parts. I think I'd probably warn myself about shiny object syndrome sooner. 

Rich Bennett 1:27:54
Huh? 

Reed Neubaum 1:27:55
you don't know about shiny object syndrome. 

Rich Bennett 1:27:57
Apparently 

Reed Neubaum 1:27:58
This is not a medical term. 

Rich Bennett 1:28:00
Okay. 

Reed Neubaum 1:28:00
Anyone who has it knows how annoying it is. 

If I see something shiny, not actually something that interests me, 

Rich Bennett 1:28:11
Right. 

Reed Neubaum 1:28:12
right? I just start going that direction. 

Rich Bennett 1:28:14
Oh, okay. 

Reed Neubaum 1:28:15
Now, I've reigned it in a whole lot. Now, I have a lot of guidance. That's why I'm like I had to beat the whole three F's function field fitness. That was because I had shiny objects syndrome. I was going to do this and then that and then this and then that and then nothing gets done. It's something like these are three things that I am allowed to do in this list, so I'm not doing other things. Yeah, I mean it happens in other things too. It's why my workshop is so messy too. It's because I'll start something and then it fizzles out and then I'll start another thing. It's like, so I have to give myself rules about it. It's like one project at a time. I have to scratch something off the list to add something to the list and start it. Especially with home projects. 

Rich Bennett 1:29:01
But 

Reed Neubaum 1:29:02
this is popped up in a lot. I end up not finishing something because I find something else interesting. 

Rich Bennett 1:29:13
Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 1:29:14
and that's been my whole life but now I've kind of at least identified that I have that myself getting pulled and hang on. And I have a someday maybe list that I keep. 

Rich Bennett 1:29:25
That's a good 

Reed Neubaum 1:29:26
all right. So that I still don't give up on it. I just say not right now. Someday maybe I might come back to this list. 

Rich Bennett 1:29:32
Someday maybe I will write that cookbook. 

Reed Neubaum 1:29:35
There you go. 

Rich Bennett 1:29:36
What you need to. Cadet, your turn. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:29:39
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 1:29:40
You're not allowed to pick the same numbers. So pick a number between one and five. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:29:45
Four. 

Rich Bennett 1:29:46
Now pick a number between 61 and 80. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:29:51
75 

75. 

Rich Bennett 1:29:56
All right. You all have heard me talk about buddy. Buddy is their dog. What kind of dog is it? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:30:01
Bernadoodle. 

Rich Bennett 1:30:02
I'm 

Katharine Neubaum 1:30:05
just 

Rich Bennett 1:30:06
so you know I'm not lying. She says seventy 

Reed Neubaum 1:30:08
five 

right. 

Rich Bennett 1:30:14
If you could have a conversation with your pet. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:30:17
Oh. 

Rich Bennett 1:30:18
What would you ask him? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:30:20
Oh, I have conversations with them already. 

Rich Bennett 1:30:23
I had a. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:30:24
I asked them some like, do you know how much I love you? What else do I ask him? 

Robyn Furnkas 1:30:30
It was 

Katharine Neubaum 1:30:30
boy. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:30:30
a good 

Rich Bennett 1:30:33
Oh, 

Katharine Neubaum 1:30:35
okay. I would ask him what he thinks about all day. 

Reed Neubaum 1:30:39
I 

Rich Bennett 1:30:40
love to know what dogs think about all day. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:30:43
When 

Katharine Neubaum 1:30:43
would 

Robyn Furnkas 1:30:43
is the next step? That's what they think about. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:30:47
Yeah, I want to know. I want to know. A jet 

Rich Bennett 1:30:49
robin. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:30:51
want to know what he thinks about all day. Does he like 

Robyn Furnkas 1:30:54
I 

Katharine Neubaum 1:30:55
the meals we give him? 

What all the food that he eats from Oakley and Walker? 

Yeah. I would want to know like, are you really comfortable at night when you're sleeping on our bed in between us? I tried 

Rich Bennett 1:31:15
to push you out of bed. 

Reed Neubaum 1:31:17
Oh no, he's actually 

Katharine Neubaum 1:31:18
He's very. 

Reed Neubaum 1:31:19
very. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:31:19
He's 

Rich Bennett 1:31:20
Oh, 

Katharine Neubaum 1:31:20
perfect. 

Rich Bennett 1:31:20
really? Yeah, 

Reed Neubaum 1:31:21
you can hardly tell he's there most of the 

Rich Bennett 1:31:23
Oh, 

Reed Neubaum 1:31:23
time. 

Rich Bennett 1:31:23
wow. 

Reed Neubaum 1:31:24
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:31:25
It's 

Reed Neubaum 1:31:25
crazy because he's 80 pounds. 

Rich Bennett 1:31:26
My brother's dog 

Reed Neubaum 1:31:27
used 

Rich Bennett 1:31:28
to his wife had a bed. 

Katharine Neubaum 1:31:29
Oh. 

Rich Bennett 1:31:30
Either outweigh. 

Robyn Furnkas 1:31:31
No, but they still they have a burn a doodle and Lana does the same thing. 

Rich Bennett 1:31:35
Really? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:31:36
No, but he just like snuggles up with us. It's the best. 

Rich Bennett 1:31:40
Wow. 

It's just so weird that she picked that. Did you look at 

Katharine Neubaum 1:31:46
I 

Rich Bennett 1:31:46
these? 

Katharine Neubaum 1:31:46
did not. 

Rich Bennett 1:31:47
Sure. Yeah, you 

Katharine Neubaum 1:31:48
had 

Rich Bennett 1:31:49
You're 

Katharine Neubaum 1:31:49
positive. 

Rich Bennett 1:31:49
gonna move over, didn't 

Katharine Neubaum 1:31:50
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:31:51
you? Yeah, Reed, can I want to thank you both so much robbing. 

Reed Neubaum 1:31:56
Thanks for

Rich Bennett 1:31:56
not giving me a hard time. Yeah, whatever. As we wrap things up, I think one of the biggest takeaways from this conversation is that true health isn't about finding one quick fix. It's about taking care of your body day after day, whether it's chiropractic care, movement, nutrition, or simply listening to what your body is trying to tell you, Dr. Reid and Dr. Catt reminded us that healing is a journey not a race. They also showed us that great health care is about education, empowering people, and treating the whole person, not just the pain they're feeling today. I also love hearing their vision for the future. They're not just thinking about helping people feel better for a day. They're built in a place where people can move better, eat better, and ultimately live better. That passion for helping others really comes through, and it's easy to see why so many people trust them with their health, like I do. And of course, I got to thank my sister Robin, she behaved, but we can't end this episode without giving a little credit to Oakley and Walker. They may have been the youngest guest we've ever had on the show yet, and while they didn't exactly wait for their turn at the microphone, they definitely added some extra personality to the conversation. I have a funny feeling in a few years. They'll either be running the podcast or running their parent's chiropractic golfers. Either way, they're already stealing the show. If you'd like to learn more about Dr. Reed and Dr. Kat, Ultimate Health, or some of the services we talked about today, make sure you check out the links in the show notes. Until next time, I'm Rich Bennett. Thanks for listening and remember, every great conversation starts with someone willing to listen and someone willing to share. Now it's your turn. Join the conversation by sharing this episode, an comment, or reach an "Add to Me" directly. Take care. Be kind to one another. And I'll talk with you again soon.